This made me laugh:

@MarkMaddenX: @GunnerStaal Maybe you'll find that out if you ever get good at your job, minor-leaguer.

But then the advanced stats people would be ripping them royally for dumping in on zone entries.
- jmatchett383

Yea no kidding. Comeau was really effective at chipping the puck in during the 3rd when nothing was there. Make the Grossman's and Schenns of the world turn and try to play the puck. Cant be turning over the puck at the blue line when you have all 5 guys speeding forward.

Yea no kidding. Comeau was really effective at chipping the puck in during the 3rd when nothing was there. Make the Grossman's and Schenns of the world turn and try to play the puck. Cant be turning over the puck at the blue line when you have all 5 guys speeding forward.
- Deadstar

Don't forget Nick Schultz.

When the Pens lose to the Flyers it almost always looks the same...Pens 'gifted' players looking stifled and stubborn...unwilling to play an ugly game against a team that forces them out of their normal puck possession mode.

It's not that surprising to me that 2 of their 3 goals were scored by grunts. That's the way a whole team has to play a game sometimes and the sooner the Penguins learn the lesson the better.

Im still irked by how irresponsible the top PP was leading to the Bellemar goal.

if this was a game against any other team then id chalk it up to yeah, just one game of many.

however, the fact that it still just follows the same pattern is alarming. i understand the not dumping the puck in. thats this system, like it or lump it. and i understand the PP allotment time as well. but the stars still look flustered and flat against the flyers. above all, the defense follows the same inexcusable pattern. this pens team as constructed is still pretty damn solid. i really like their odds tonight, or on any given night to be honest. but it is still troubling to see their mental shortcomings personified against this team

Ryan Wilson: Flyers Outplay Penguins, No Need To Overreact
Flyers Outplay Penguins, No Need To Overreact
- Ryan_Wilson

Does Mark Madden follow you to get inside info. ???

I see you got his panties in a bunch.

#SonOfReubenKinkaid

if this was a game against any other team then id chalk it up to yeah, just one game of many.

however, the fact that it still just follows the same pattern is alarming. i understand the not dumping the puck in. thats this system, like it or lump it. and i understand the PP allotment time as well. but the stars still look flustered and flat against the flyers. above all, the defense follows the same inexcusable pattern. this pens team as constructed is still pretty damn solid. i really like their odds tonight, or on any given night to be honest. but it is still troubling to see their mental shortcomings personified against this team
- stayinthefnnet

Isn't there some legal mumbo jumbo you can do to help them?

But then the advanced stats people would be ripping them royally for dumping in on zone entries.
- jmatchett383

Stats are stats...the final score is 5-3...the only stat anyone ever remembers.

Coaching/playing...the job is to figure out how to win a game.

If dump and chase works at times...then dump/chip and chase.

Sure...it always better to have the puck on your stick...but when that's not working...you go to plan b...you make sure you can do that too and you make that work.

Dump and chase when you get the puck...that's still a possession type game...it's not pretty possession play, but it is possession play.

Is it really true that Adams had a 0% possession and 100% OZ starts? That would be legendary!

I know, it's just maddening how he thinks that stating the obvious is the most amazing thing in ever.
- jmatchett383

He's tight with "Edzo" and "Panger" so he's hockey royalty.

I keep a rusty butterknife right by my TV remote in case either of these guys are on the broadcast.

Stats are stats...the final score is 5-3...the only stat anyone ever remembers.

Coaching/playing...the job is to figure out how to win a game.

If dump and chase works at times...then dump/chip and chase.

Sure...it always better to have the puck on your stick...but when that's not working...you go to plan b...you make sure you can do that too and you make that work.

Dump and chase when you get the puck...that's still a possession type game...it's not pretty possession play, but it is possession play.
- icedog97

I'm not arguing, but the advanced stats fruits all want the team to have the puck 60 minutes a game, take 150 shots per game (all on goal) and not ever allow the other team to have the puck. Also, they require that the puck possession always be maintained when entering the offensive zone, touting that "why give the puck up when you're getting into the offensive zone." They quantify, "possession entries" or some name like that and take it as gospel.

This is one of those times that I think the "book" is out on how to stifle the Pens offensive attack, but I'm confident Johnston can adjust in the future unlike Dan.

New jerseys looked awesome.

Not going to freak out about one loss but the fact that the Flyers beat us without playing physical or making us act like idiots is strange.

Spaling, Ehrhoff, Downie, Goc, and Comeau had good games last night...in other words, only the guys who aren't carryovers what let Filthadelphia get in their heads.

Is it really true that Adams had a 0% possession and 100% OZ starts? That would be legendary!
- YouMeAndDupuis9

It is technically true but he may have had only one offensive zone start last night and the rest in the NZ. He definitely had 0 in the defensive zone.

The 0% CF% is still ridiculous though.

I think it's time to go back to Letang/ Ehrhoff and Martin/ Maatta that clicked so well in game one versus the Ducks. The current top two pairings just look out of sync.

I'm not arguing, but the advanced stats fruits all want the team to have the puck 60 minutes a game, take 150 shots per game (all on goal) and not ever allow the other team to have the puck. Also, they require that the puck possession always be maintained when entering the offensive zone, touting that "why give the puck up when you're getting into the offensive zone." They quantify, "possession entries" or some name like that and take it as gospel.
- jmatchett383

Could have fooled me, sure sounds like you threw a match on that fire.

I think it's time to go back to Letang/ Ehrhoff and Martin/ Maatta that clicked so well in game one versus the Ducks. The current top two pairings just look out of sync.
- LGP_Cant_Er

Letang had a bad game, the other three were fine.

Isn't there some legal mumbo jumbo you can do to help them?
- jmatchett383

they need a psychologist. not legal advice.

I'm not arguing, but the advanced stats fruits all want the team to have the puck 60 minutes a game, take 150 shots per game (all on goal) and not ever allow the other team to have the puck. Also, they require that the puck possession always be maintained when entering the offensive zone, touting that "why give the puck up when you're getting into the offensive zone." They quantify, "possession entries" or some name like that and take it as gospel.
- jmatchett383

I know you weren't arguing ...was more or less ranting about the whole stats thing.

There is too much attention paid to those things sometimes.

The Pens gifted players make the same exact asinine mistakes whenever they get stifled...they keep trying to hold onto the puck and then make a play. A lot of times it ends up being the backhand abomination of a pass that gets taken away.

I'm starting to think it's the players...not the coaches.

The Flyers are in our heads. We always eat stupid soup before we play them and make them look like world beaters. I', tired of it. If we play our best and lose, so be it. Never seems to happen when we play the Flyers. Like I say, just hope we don't play them in the playoffs. Our lack of size doesn't help either.

I think any game where the system struggles is going to cause some to panic, just because we saw so much of that with Bylsma. Also, Johnston prefaced before camp that the regular season was about preparation for the playoffs. Fans should remember that whenever the team has a game like last night.

they need a psychologist. not legal advice.
- stayinthefnnet

+1

I think any game where the system struggles is going to cause some to panic, just because we saw so much with Bylsma. Also, Johnston prefaced before camp that the regular season was about preparation for the playoffs. Fans should remember that whenever the team has a game like last night.
- TheRollingPuck

I remember it when I see positive changes and learning occurring. And I hope that happens.

It is technically true but he may have had only one offensive zone start last night and the rest in the NZ. He definitely had 0 in the defensive zone.

The 0% CF% is still ridiculous though.
- Ryan_Wilson

You guys know we lost because our star players refused to (or could not) adjust their games appropriately...right?

Isn't there some legal mumbo jumbo you can do to help them?
- jmatchett383

Possession is nine tenths of the law #corsi