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philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Oct 24 @ 12:26 PM ET
That was a bonehead play by Seabrook at the time, but I can't say I feel bad about watching it now.

Queue all the Backes apologists from the Blues thread (do the Blues still have a thread here?).

- MartiniMan


Don't recall having a problem then or now
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Oct 24 @ 12:26 PM ET
We can talk NEXT year on Sharp...Sharp is part of a Cup team this year. But next year a purge is coming.
- kwolf68


Damn it. We need him now!!
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Oct 24 @ 12:27 PM ET
He was gifted two of those goals. And no matter what Konroyd says on the first. Seabrook has to make sure he had weak side help before committing.
- Elbows15


Saad can't pull pins on grenades either.
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Oct 24 @ 12:28 PM ET
Still love that moment , can't lose Seebs he is all heart
- oldduffman


It's really unbelievable that Seabs doesn't have a letter on his jersey.
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Oct 24 @ 12:30 PM ET
Damn it. We need him now!!
- Vukota


Whatcha offering?
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Oct 24 @ 12:31 PM ET
It's really unbelievable that Seabs doesn't have a letter on his jersey.
- philco28


Next season. It's got to be coming if Sharp is going.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Oct 24 @ 12:31 PM ET
It's really unbelievable that Seabs doesn't have a letter on his jersey.
- philco28

It is because he is a goon.
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Oct 24 @ 12:34 PM ET
Next season. It's got to be coming if Sharp is going.
- EKolb13


Plausible for sure EK. Doubt Seabs gives a crud though.
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Oct 24 @ 12:35 PM ET
It is because he is a goon.
- carcus


Backes' has gotz to keep his head up
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Oct 24 @ 12:36 PM ET
Whatcha offering?
- EKolb13


Matt Martin

carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Oct 24 @ 12:40 PM ET
Backes' has gotz to keep his head up

- philco28

Agreed.

Still, head down does not make it ok for a head shot, right?
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 24 @ 12:43 PM ET
He has had a few already but he really has fit in well and I think he might have found a home. He is off to a great start. Now what do you guys want for Sharp?
- Vukota


Matt Martin PLUS 1 of: Anders Lee or Kyle Okoposo or Brock Nelson. My preference is Lee.
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Oct 24 @ 12:44 PM ET
Agreed.

Still, head down does not make it ok for a head shot, right?

- carcus


I had no problem with the hit. Seabs was finishing his hit like he's done his whole career. He was judged to have taken a liberty and was penalized accordingly. But everyone knows Seabs plays the game hard and clean.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 24 @ 12:45 PM ET
Matt Martin PLUS 1 of: Anders Lee or Kyle Okoposo or Brock Nelson. My preference is Lee.
- Bjm84

You dont watch too many islander games do you?
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Oct 24 @ 12:46 PM ET
Matt Martin PLUS 1 of: Anders Lee or Kyle Okoposo or Brock Nelson. My preference is Lee.
- Bjm84


Ooooofa
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Oct 24 @ 12:47 PM ET
I had no problem with the hit. Seabs was finishing his hit like he's done his whole career. He was judged to have taken a liberty and was penalized accordingly. But everyone knows Seabs plays the game hard and clean.
- philco28

You have no problem with the hit because it was on Backes.

If Toews or Kane is hit like that, you would feel completely differently. Be honest. It was a bad hit, but you don't care because it was Backes.

I don't think Seabs is dirty. But that was a dirty hit. Doesn't mean that he wasn't looking or is always looking to have dirty hits.
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Oct 24 @ 12:50 PM ET
You have no problem with the hit because it was on Backes.

If Toews or Kane is hit like that, you would feel completely differently. Be honest. It was a bad hit, but you don't care because it was Backes.

I don't think Seabs is dirty. But that was a dirty hit. Doesn't mean that he wasn't looking or is always looking to have dirty hits.

- carcus


I have no problem with the hit no matter who it was. Backes was slumping just as Seabs arrived or he might have absorbed it fine.

You are correct. I don't like Backes, but i hate to see any player in the fog that he found himself in.
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 24 @ 12:50 PM ET
Ooooofa
- Vukota


Get a grip man. Patrick Sharp is a perenial 30 goal scorer, nearly a point per game player, an NHL all star, and Olympic Gold medalist, and has two stanley cup rings.

You want him? You're going to have to pony up and get real.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 24 @ 12:53 PM ET
Get a grip man. Patrick Sharp is a perenial 30 goal scorer, nearly a point per game player, an NHL all star, and Olympic Gold medalist, and has two stanley cup rings.

You want him? You're going to have to pony up and get real.

- Bjm84

If sharp for lee + martin was what chicago wants, the deal would've been done already. Nelson or okposo...not a chance.
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 24 @ 12:55 PM ET
If sharp for lee + martin was what chicago wants, the deal would've been done already. Nelson or okposo...not a chance.
- rangerdanger94


Wrong. The reason why such a deal hasn't taken place is because Sharp gives the Blackhawks a better chance to win this year, keeping the band together, if you will. Lee and Martin would be greater assets for the long term but would be downgrades for the current cup campaign.
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Oct 24 @ 12:55 PM ET
Get a grip man. Patrick Sharp is a perenial 30 goal scorer, nearly a point per game player, an NHL all star, and Olympic Gold medalist, and has two stanley cup rings.

You want him? You're going to have to pony up and get real.

- Bjm84


I hear ya, but he is also going to be 33 years old and won't be getting any better only worse as he gets older. I wouldn't blame you for wanting Okposo or Nelson but that would never ever happen. If the missing piece for the Isles was Sharp and he would put them over the top I might do it for Lee but they aren't that close yet so I don't see them moving Lee for a 33 year old aging forward. They would probably want someone younger who can play for more then a year or two with JT & KO going forward
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 24 @ 1:00 PM ET
Wrong. The reason why such a deal hasn't taken place is because Sharp gives the Blackhawks a better chance to win this year, keeping the band together, if you will. Lee and Martin would be greater assets for the long term but would be downgrades for the current cup campaign.
- Bjm84

Which is why I said if thats really what your gm wanted. Clearly he doesnt.
Bjm84
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 24 @ 1:03 PM ET
I hear ya, but he is also going to be 33 years old and won't be getting any better only worse as he gets older. I wouldn't blame you for wanting Okposo or Nelson but that would never ever happen. If the missing piece for the Isles was Sharp and he would put them over the top I might do it for Lee but they aren't that close yet so I don't see them moving Lee for a 33 year old aging forward. They would probably want someone younger who can play for more then a year or two with JT & KO going forward
- Vukota


Patrick Sharp is 32. He's not 33 until December. Additionally, what you're talking about here is speculative. "Won't be getting any better, only worse as he gets older." His production hasn't fallen off yet. If there was going to be a serious decline, it would have started to happen by now. Sharpie takes excellent care of himself, any of these guys who know the Hawks' can you tell you that he is always one of the best conditioned players, right up there with Hossa.

He also brings the intangible things that every serious cup contender needs to put them over the top: WINNING experience and leadership.

Lee(potential 2nd line winger) and Martin(3rd/4th line guy) for Sharp and I would pull the trigger. I would possibly throw in a mid level prospect or pick.
MartiniMan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Joined: 10.01.2006

Oct 24 @ 1:08 PM ET
You have no problem with the hit because it was on Backes.

If Toews or Kane is hit like that, you would feel completely differently. Be honest. It was a bad hit, but you don't care because it was Backes.

I don't think Seabs is dirty. But that was a dirty hit. Doesn't mean that he wasn't looking or is always looking to have dirty hits.

- carcus


It was a bad hit, no question.

But if that had been Tarasenko in the corner, or Steen, or Pietrangelo, or any number of other players the hit never would have happened. What goes around, comes around. End of story.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 24 @ 1:08 PM ET
Patrick Sharp is 32. He's not 33 until December. Additionally, what you're talking about here is speculative. "Won't be getting any better, only worse as he gets older." His production hasn't fallen off yet. If there was going to be a serious decline, it would have started to happen by now. Sharpie takes excellent care of himself, any of these guys who know the Hawks' can you tell you that he is always one of the best conditioned players, right up there with Hossa.

He also brings the intangible things that every serious cup contender needs to put them over the top: WINNING experience and leadership.

Lee(potential 2nd line winger) and Martin(3rd/4th line guy) for Sharp and I would pull the trigger. I would possibly throw in a mid level prospect or pick.

- Bjm84

Lets be real here, if sharp was as godlike as youre making him out to be, you wouldn't be trying to move. I understand your over the cap but if sharp provides all this at his cap hit which is still a discount for what youve described then why not move bickell or hossa or others?
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