Good luck, everyone, with getting that song out of your head.
- johndewar

There are worse songs to have stuck in your head

Putting Ghost in either of those spots won't magically turn the team around. Since he won't drastically help the team, better for the organization to help him by letting him get acclimated to the pro game in the AHL.
- jmatchett383

Again no one is saying it will turn the team around, but there's no reason you don't try by starting with little things like that. Why settle for a poop sAndwich?

our defense last night with umberger looking for an outlet pass

There are worse songs to have stuck in your head
- aflyerpower8

I CREATED
I CREATED
I CREATED MY OWN PRISON!!!

Exactly it can work I just don't agree with this absolutism that every player needs to stay in the minors until whenever... There's players on the team now that need to work on things. I think too many are stuck on guys like sbisa who probably never would have made it to begin with.
- JoeRussomanno

Couldn't agree more...I'm all for allowing players to develop when they aren't as good as players on the big club, but when they're already better, why not give them a chance? It's not like they would be any worse off than they are right now!

Again no one is saying it will turn the team around, but there's no reason you don't try by starting with little things like that. Why settle for a poop sAndwich?
- JoeRussomanno

For the other reasons I stated. In his specific case, playing big minutes with top PP time in the AHL is better for him than playing sheltered minutes with no PP time and not being able to handle the defensive rigors of the NHL right now. Since he won't turn the team around, it's best for the team to let him develop for the future.

I ran into the same problem when I was scoping out some days for a Phantoms road trip.
- johndewar

Yeah it's been driving me crazy. I kept thinking, "This CAN'T still be their official website..." but I couldn't find anything else when googling it. Even when you google Lehigh Valley Phantoms Official website, the old one still shows up first.

Should have scrolled down a bit further I suppose...

Why bring him up and risk learning bad habits? It's better for his long term development to stay in the AHL, get direction from Murray, a proven developmental guy, and then advance to the NHL when more ready
- Jsaquella

C'mon man, who has Murray developed in the minors? He's been mostly an NHL head coach. "A proven developmental guy" my @$$.

Why is he going to develop bad habits in the NHL as opposed to the AHL? Who is he learning bad habits from? Berube? What if Murray were the Flyers coach and Berube was the Phantoms coach. You bringing the kids up then? If not than the coach is meaningless.

I'm all for giving the kid some seasoning but this reasoning makes no sense to me. You're regurgitating the company line man.

You'd have to worry about him more if Berube had the balls to put Simmer on G's wing.
- Tomahawk

yeah well hopefully it says that way. the powerplays are enough for me.

Shore up spots for what? If you bring up Ghost to play maybe 10 mintues on the third pair what does he get out of it. Yes he gets to fac e NHL skill but he won't see any PP or situations that he gets in the AHL that he uses his full range of talent for.

Bring up Manning then as he is an AHL vet now and young enough to maybe find out if he can handle the NHL. Othere then that no reason to bring up the kids.
- J35Bacher

Why even have a gm? Why even play the games? Why do anything. Just tank I get it, it worked for two teams in the history of the league so that's how it must be done... And there's no reason that ghost couldn't get pp time here, that's a silly assumption.

You're not familiar with the early 90s Flyers, are you?
- jmatchett383

not really, how do they make this group look?

ok so the security guards at Parliament are unarmed. that is fabulous

C'mon man, who has Murray developed in the minors? He's been mostly an NHL head coach. "A proven developmental guy" my @$$.

Why is he going to develop bad habits in the NHL as opposed to the AHL? Who is he learning bad habits from? Berube? What if Murray were the Flyers coach and Berube was the Phantoms coach. You bringing the kids up then? If not than the coach is meaningless.

I'm all for giving the kid some seasoning but this reasoning makes no sense to me. You're regurgitating the company line man.
- mayorofangrytown

C'mon man, who has Murray developed in the minors? He's been mostly an NHL head coach. "A proven developmental guy" my @$$.

Why is he going to develop bad habits in the NHL as opposed to the AHL? Who is he learning bad habits from? Berube? What if Murray were the Flyers coach and Berube was the Phantoms coach. You bringing the kids up then? If not than the coach is meaningless.

I'm all for giving the kid some seasoning but this reasoning makes no sense to me. You're regurgitating the company line man.
- mayorofangrytown

Do you think Ghost is going to get PP time and top four minutes in the NHL right now? Even as poor as the Flyers have been, I doubt he would.

ok so the security guards at Parliament are unarmed. that is fabulous
- nastyflyergirl

Wow. That is unbelievable. Seems like there are multiple gunmen. There are reports of a shooting at the mall as well.

You're not familiar with the early 90s Flyers, are you?
- jmatchett383

Rob Zettler
Yves Racine
Greg Hawgood

just a whole lot of terrible.

Shooting on Parliament. Hill
- Jsaquella

All this following two soldiers run down and one killed by an Islamic terrorist two days ago in Quebec,

So 6 games down and 4 to go in October.

They hit my over under of 4 pts already. Good going boys!

Will they get over? They have the PITT, Red Wings, LA and Tampa left on the schedule.

C'mon man, who has Murray developed in the minors? He's been mostly an NHL head coach. "A proven developmental guy" my @$$.

Why is he going to develop bad habits in the NHL as opposed to the AHL? Who is he learning bad habits from? Berube? What if Murray were the Flyers coach and Berube was the Phantoms coach. You bringing the kids up then? If not than the coach is meaningless.

I'm all for giving the kid some seasoning but this reasoning makes no sense to me. You're regurgitating the company line man.
- mayorofangrytown

Well many seem to think that NHL coaches are simply interchangeable parts, which is why they are hired/fired so frequently.

Do you think Ghost is going to get PP time and top four minutes in the NHL right now? Even as poor as the Flyers have been, I doubt he would.
- mcefalu

Then that's bad coaching right there and Berube really should be fired.

You're not familiar with the early 90s Flyers, are you?
- jmatchett383

You know, I was just thinking that this reminds me of the days of such defensive stalwarts as Rob Zettler, Corey Foster, Stew Malgunas, Ryan McGill, Greg Hawgood etc...

Do you think Ghost is going to get PP time and top four minutes in the NHL right now? Even as poor as the Flyers have been, I doubt he would.
- mcefalu

If he wouldn't that's just poor coaching...kid is already better at the point on the PP than Del Zotto, who is on the 2nd unit currently.

Then that's bad coaching right there and Berube really should be fired.
- mayorofangrytown

Was typing my response to this and didn't see your post! Right on!

C'mon man, who has Murray developed in the minors? He's been mostly an NHL head coach. "A proven developmental guy" my @$$.

Why is he going to develop bad habits in the NHL as opposed to the AHL? Who is he learning bad habits from? Berube? What if Murray were the Flyers coach and Berube was the Phantoms coach. You bringing the kids up then? If not than the coach is meaningless.

I'm all for giving the kid some seasoning but this reasoning makes no sense to me. You're regurgitating the company line man.
- mayorofangrytown

I think Murray has gotten a reputation of being able to work with and develop young defensemen over the years, going back to his Washington days.

Then that's bad coaching right there and Berube really should be fired.
- mayorofangrytown

Yes, probably. Based on what we have seen from Berube and his use of the personnel he has at his disposal, I really doubt he would give Ghost the same amount of playing time he is getting in the AHL.

Should Berube be fired? Maybe. Who do you replace him with? Torts?