Any news on our 9 foot tall dman playing over in the KHL?

I was just thinking about Cannuaton. I think he's as defensively sound as Sbisa and can play the PP. Another useful prospect thrown away by Gillis.
- boonerbuck

Sbisa is a first round pick...he is better.

Any news on our 9 foot tall dman playing over in the KHL?

I was just thinking about Cannuaton. I think he's as defensively sound as Sbisa and can play the PP. Another useful prospect thrown away by Gillis.
- boonerbuck

Meh, he hasn't really made an impact at the NHL level. Gillis made much worse deals than Connauton + 3rd for Roy.

Meh, he hasn't really made an impact at the NHL level. Gillis made much worse deals than Connauton + 3rd for Roy.
- 1970vintage

Wasn't it a 2nd?
Edit: yes it was the Stars took Desrosiers - some pretty good players available at that pick

Nice to talk about some prospects, worth mentioning, within the organization. Been a long time since we've had multiple guys to chat about in that regard.

This week in the NHL:

With Dejardins, and two Sedins,
Van was unbeat for three,
'But those were just Alberta teams',
Said most of you, and me.
The Lightning came, not placing blame,
Our shots tallied pretty high,
But with Burrows, and our number #3,
the game- then passed us by.
While Voynov went and made a mess,
& now he is suspended.
'Tough break' we said, from what we read,
hoping LA would be upended
In other news, our man Milan
'raised the cup' to Montreal.
Oddly enough, Marchand had done it,
..but fined? I don't recall.

X's and O's.
RH

This week in the NHL:

With Dejardins, and two Sedins,
Van was unbeat for three,
'But those were just Alberta teams',
Said most of you, and me.
The Lightning came, not placing blame,
Our shots tallied pretty high,
But with Burrows, and our number #3,
the game- then passed us by.
While Voynov went and made a mess,
& now he is suspended.
'Tough break' we said, from what we read,
hoping LA would be upended
In other news, our man Milan
'raised the cup' to Montreal.
Oddly enough, Marchand had done it,
..but fined? I don't recall.

X's and O's.
RH
- roland_hazard

Will Shakespeare of the world of hockey forums

Sbisa is a first round pick...he is better.
- Linden_4_Capt

A bid D man is a good thing.

Wasn't it a 2nd?
Edit: yes it was the Stars took Desrosiers - some pretty good players available at that pick
- bezz44

Yes a 2nd. What a Chooch.

Meh, he hasn't really made an impact at the NHL level. Gillis made much worse deals than Connauton + 3rd for Roy.
- 1970vintage

It was a 2nd rounder, I don't know though, that's where I prefer Benning over Gillis. Gillis targeted guys having "bad luck" seasons by tying to by low and assuming they'd hit a hot streak with the Canucks by returning to career normals with shooting percentages, PDO and such. In reality guys like Derek Roy, David Booth, Ryane Clowe, etc were just on the decline. That's where the good ole' "scouting eye" comes into play, something Gillis/Gilman sorely lacked.

Meh, he hasn't really made an impact at the NHL level. Gillis made much worse deals than Connauton + 3rd for Roy.
- 1970vintage

Who said it was the worse? and it was a 2nd...

It was a fail.

Who said it was the worse? and it was a 2nd...

It was a fail.
- boonerbuck

Just did a quick search and realized that Gillis definitely targeted players in-season that were scoring at a lower rate(in terms of sh%) compared to career norms.

2011 TDL
Chris Higgins: Had a shooting percentage of 8.7% that year with Florida, compared to a career normal of 10.1%.

Max Lapierre: Had a 4.7% shooting percentage with MON/ANA that year, career rate is 8.0%.

2013 TDL
Derek Roy: Had a 6.2% shooting percentage with DAL, career norm is 12.0%.

Gillis also made an offer for Ryane Clowe who chose the Rangers over us with his NTC. Clowe was goal-less with a 0% shooing percentage, his career norm is 11.1%.





This was his attempt at MoneyBall during with in-season trades. While it makes sense mathematically he didn't account for natural decline in some of these guys(Higgins/Lappy worked out, but the others have definitely declined). A decrease in shooting percentage is a sign of a player declining so Gillis was targeting some players who were trending downward.

It was a 2nd rounder, I don't know though, that's where I prefer Benning over Gillis. Gillis targeted guys having "bad luck" seasons by tying to by low and assuming they'd hit a hot streak with the Canucks by returning to career normals with shooting percentages, PDO and such. In reality guys like Derek Roy, David Booth, Ryane Clowe, etc were just on the decline. That's where the good ole' "scouting eye" comes into play, something Gillis/Gilman sorely lacked.
- Nucker101

While Booth, Roy, Ballard were all flops (and I can't blame him on Ballard as everyone thought he would do well), Gillis did do well in picking up Samuellsson and Higgins after they looked like they were declining. He also managed to find Tanev and Stanton where the " scouting eye " would of been used.

I'm glad Gillis is gone but I'm not ready to proclaim Benning as a good GM yet based upon Vrbata fitting with the Sedins. If Bonino proves he can be a 2C, Vey proves he is an NHLer and Sbisa can be a solid bottom pairing guy, Benning will look great.

Right now I'm only betting 1/3 of those players meets his expectations.

While Booth, Roy, Ballard were all flops (and I can't blame him on Ballard as everyone thought he would do well), Gillis did do well in picking up Samuellsson and Higgins after they looked like they were declining. He also managed to find Tanev and Stanton where the " scouting eye " would of been used.

I'm glad Gillis is gone but I'm not ready to proclaim Benning as a good GM yet based upon Vrbata fitting with the Sedins. If Bonino proves he can be a 2C, Vey proves he is an NHLer and Sbisa can be a solid bottom pairing guy, Benning will look great.

Right now I'm only betting 1/3 of those players meets his expectations.
- belcherbd

I don't think Benning is too big on advanced stats. I bet the best management groups across the league have found the right balance between scouting with their eyes and the in-depth numbers on top of it.

For example, the Canucks bought high on a guy like Nick Bonino.

I don't think Benning is too big on advanced stats. I bet the best management groups across the league have found the right balance between scouting with their eyes and the in-depth numbers on top of it.

For example, the Canucks bought high on a guy like Nick Bonino.
- Nucker101

I agree balance is probably what the good talent scouts use, I have doubts that Benning uses any advanced stats from looking at the Miller and Bonino acquisitions. Not to say these guys won't succeed but the stats say Bonino played above his head by a large margin and that Lack is likely able to produce similar goal tending as Miller will at a fraction of the price.

I would argue that Benning has bought high on Vey as well, fresh off the best line in the AHL, his value probably couldn't of been any higher. Had he been able to produce in the NHL, he likely wouldn't of been available for a pick.

Dorsett also made a lot of noise playing on a very effective 4th line in the playoffs, which may or may not be the player we got.

Like I said I'm not making a judgment yet on these moves but he seemed to go after a bunch of guys who did well last year regardless of their situation and will hope they can repeat in Van.

I don't think Benning is too big on advanced stats. I bet the best management groups across the league have found the right balance between scouting with their eyes and the in-depth numbers on top of it.

For example, the Canucks bought high on a guy like Nick Bonino.
- Nucker101

I like Bonino, he has a tough deal in being the main piece of the kesker trade. I think if as the season goes on he could be a good player on a line with one of the twins if they reach a point where they could be split up ...hendrik centering Kassian or Higgins and Vrbata ....and Bonino centering Daniel and burrows ....Daniel has chemistry with burrows and hendrik has chemistry with both ...this is only if the scoring beyond one line dries up but always an idea

Meh, he hasn't really made an impact at the NHL level. Gillis made much worse deals than Connauton + 3rd for Roy.
- 1970vintage

Fly on the wall chronicles.

Av: Gillis we need a scoring winger for Kesler
MG: OK I am on it.
MG: Jim this is Gillis, I need a scoring winger. Are you selling Roy?
Jim: Ummm Roy is a center.
MG: That is what you think, I had my sleep doctor, Peter Brand and Palm reader confirm that Roy is a winger and all of the other GM's had it wrong up until now.
Jim: Well if you really want him then sure he is for sale, but I have to let you know that he is having a crappy season.
MG: That is fine. Kesler is a god and can revive his career. What do you want for him?
Jim: Since he is having a crappy season and is a free agent at the end of the season and is a natural center and you want a winger, I will take a B prospect.
MG: I will give you our best B prospect and a 2nd rounder.
Jim: That is more that I want.
MG: Well I have a policy to trade a draft pick for every prayer trade we make. it is our policy, take it or leave it.
Jim: Done.
MG to Aquilani
MG: Hey Franceso guess what? I just fleeced Jim in giving me Roy for our future.
AF: Great news! Now sell more tickets so that I can have money to make more crappy condos.

Fly on the wall chronicles.

Av: Gillis we need a scoring winger for Kesler
MG: OK I am on it.
MG: Jim this is Gillis, I need a scoring winger. Are you selling Roy?
Jim: Ummm Roy is a center.
MG: That is what you think, I had my sleep doctor, Peter Brand and Palm reader confirm that Roy is a winger and all of the other GM's had it wrong up until now.
Jim: Well if you really want him then sure he is for sale, but I have to let you know that he is having a crappy season.
MG: That is fine. Kesler is a god and can revive his career. What do you want for him?
Jim: Since he is having a crappy season and is a free agent at the end of the season and is a natural center and you want a winger, I will take a B prospect.
MG: I will give you our best B prospect and a 2nd rounder.
Jim: That is more that I want.
MG: Well I have a policy to trade a draft pick for every prayer trade we make. it is our policy, take it or leave it.
Jim: Done.
MG to Aquilani
MG: Hey Franceso guess what? I just fleeced Jim in giving me Roy for our future.
AF: Great news! Now sell more tickets so that I can have money to make more crappy condos.
- Linden_4_Capt

Not sure if that's done on purpose or a spelling mistake, but it still works anyways

I like Bonino, he has a tough deal in being the main piece of the kesker trade. I think if as the season goes on he could be a good player on a line with one of the twins if they reach a point where they could be split up ...hendrik centering Kassian or Higgins and Vrbata ....and Bonino centering Daniel and burrows ....Daniel has chemistry with burrows and hendrik has chemistry with both ...this is only if the scoring beyond one line dries up but always an idea
- Redmile247

I think Bonino is an excellent 3C or complementary winger in the top 6. The Canucks have two many guys who are good complementary players and only 2 (some may argue 1) that can effectively carry a line offensively.

Not sure if that's done on purpose or a spelling mistake, but it still works anyways
- PetrolSexual

No, that was intentional. MG was the king of prayer trades.

I think Bonino is an excellent 3C or complementary winger in the top 6. The Canucks have two many guys who are good complementary players and only 2 (some may argue 1) that can effectively carry a line offensively.
- belcherbd

Agreed.

Agreed.
- Nucker101

In reality WD is using the "2nd line " as a prototypical shutdown 3rd line though. They get less even strength minutes than the "3rd line" but are doing most the PKing. So far haven't been scored on yet 5on5 and are killing it possession wise.

Of course small sample size.

It was a 2nd rounder, I don't know though, that's where I prefer Benning over Gillis. Gillis targeted guys having "bad luck" seasons by tying to by low and assuming they'd hit a hot streak with the Canucks by returning to career normals with shooting percentages, PDO and such. In reality guys like Derek Roy, David Booth, Ryane Clowe, etc were just on the decline. That's where the good ole' "scouting eye" comes into play, something Gillis/Gilman sorely lacked.
- Nucker101

Yeah, I'm only suggesting that losing Connaughton wasn't that big a deal, not that acquiring Roy was impressive or anything.

Who said it was the worse? and it was a 2nd...

It was a fail.
- boonerbuck

My bad, a second. Still, I doubt Connaughton would have made the Canucks last year, or this year, or any year in the near future...

Yeah, I'm only suggesting that losing Connaughton wasn't that big a deal, not that acquiring Roy was impressive or anything.
- 1970vintage

Yeah, I agree with that. He's nothing special. Sucks losing the pick though, I'd rather keep as many picks in the first 2 or 3 rounds as possible, better chance at hitting the lottery and getting a good future NHL player.

In reality WD is using the "2nd line " as a prototypical shutdown 3rd line though. They get less even strength minutes than the "3rd line" but are doing most the PKing. So far haven't been scored on yet 5on5 and are killing it possession wise.

Of course small sample size.
- belcherbd

This is why it's still too early to really evaluate this team, especially since they've played the Oilers twice and the Flames once in 3 of their 4 games to date.