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Dan Petriw
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 12.03.2006

Oct 20 @ 4:02 PM ET
Absolutely agree with this. Lee is JUST what that top line needs. Someone who goes to the net like a bull.
- Mancalledsting



you can make the case for Brock, but if that second line is clicking i don't want to upset it
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Oct 20 @ 4:18 PM ET
for the record, if it was my call, i'd send MacDonald to b'port, call up Lee and put him on the top line to see what we have there
- Dan Petriw



hes already been sent to philly...get with the times!!!
Dan Petriw
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 12.03.2006

Oct 20 @ 4:29 PM ET
hes already been sent to philly...get with the times!!!
- LetsGoIsles


MY BAD
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Oct 20 @ 7:37 PM ET
So if you were going to take a Isle D in the HB pool, would it be Boychuk or Hamonic?

Would you take either this week
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Oct 20 @ 7:37 PM ET
hes already been sent to philly...get with the times!!!
- LetsGoIsles

brodydog29
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 09.24.2011

Oct 20 @ 8:01 PM ET
you can make the case for Brock, but if that second line is clicking i don't want to upset it
- Dan Petriw

Cappy doesn't want to take Nelson out of the C role, so I don't even think this is an option right now.
Dedshark
New York Islanders
Location: Amityville, NY
Joined: 04.01.2008

Oct 20 @ 8:26 PM ET
Cappy doesn't want to take Nelson out of the C role, so I don't even think this is an option right now.
- brodydog29


which is completely understandable. He looks like a perfect fit playing the 2C behind jt.
Spartiarti
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 09.04.2008

Oct 20 @ 8:27 PM ET
Did Echief really seriously say with 5 points in 5 games strome has not looked that good? Are you insane. I could dream our team was full of a point a game players

Agree in Colin Mac. He didn't look bad but he brings nothing.
4th line has Cizikas being incredible and playing no one.


Nelson deserves to center his own line. I agree there.

Let's not get all bent out of shape we Lost last game bc of pp. that's it. Win tomorrow and all is forgotten.

If grabo on ir, lee deserves call up. This is bs.
Dedshark
New York Islanders
Location: Amityville, NY
Joined: 04.01.2008

Oct 20 @ 8:32 PM ET
Viz is going to be activated tomorrow night and they will put Grabo on IR to make room and not call up Lee. All to save Donovan,McDonald & Strait. I want to throw up when I think the reason Lee is being blocked for the fear of losing any of those stiffs
- Vukota


If hammer is out and viz isn't able to go, I'm scared who's gonna get the call. If they don't want griffin up yet, please tell me carkner won't be there :/
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Oct 20 @ 8:32 PM ET
Did Echief really seriously say with 5 points in 5 games strome has not looked that good? Are you insane. I could dream our team was full of a point a game players

Agree in Colin Mac. He didn't look bad but he brings nothing.
4th line has Cizikas being incredible and playing no one.


Nelson deserves to center his own line. I agree there.

Let's not get all bent out of shape we Lost last game bc of pp. that's it. Win tomorrow and all is forgotten.

If grabo on ir, lee deserves call up. This is bs.

- Spartiarti


I agree but they will put Grabo on IR and activate Viz All Lee did was tear it up last year when called up and then this year he had a good camp and instead was sent down because they don't want to lose facking Boulton or McDonald which if either was claimed is no loss at all
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Oct 20 @ 8:32 PM ET
"In ownership news, Sports Illustrated is reporting that Barclays Center majority owner, Bruce Ratner, is selling his share of the arena. What does this mean for the Islanders? New owners, Jonathan Ledecky and Scott Malkin, have been linked as possible suitors to become majority owners of the building. If this becomes a reality, it would really cement the Islanders future in Brooklyn."


I have a different take on this. The Isles' lease is with the Ratner entity that owns the Barclays Center, right?. If Ratner continues to control the Barclays Center, there would be little chance of the Isles getting out of their lease at a reasonable price. On the other hand, if the Isles' new owners control the Barclays Center, then they control both ends of the same lease. In other words, if it becomes economically feasible for whatever reason (NVMC gets renovated, e.g.), then the Isles can break their lease with Barclays with no consequences. (Presumably, the Barclays can still turn a profit without the Isles.)
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Oct 20 @ 8:33 PM ET
If hammer is out and viz isn't able to go, I'm scared who's gonna get the call. If they don't want griffin up yet, please tell me carkner won't be there :/
- Dedshark


My guess would be Donovan
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Oct 20 @ 8:44 PM ET
My guess would be Donovan
- Vukota


So in the last two games, teams take liberties with the Isles, leading to at least one serious injury (concussion), and no one wants to dress Carkner or Boulton against the Leafs??? Gee, what could go wrong? It's not like there's a history of the Leafs beating up on the Isles.
David_Volek
New York Islanders
Location: Trotzville, NY
Joined: 05.01.2013

Oct 20 @ 8:54 PM ET
So if you were going to take a Isle D in the HB pool, would it be Boychuk or Hamonic?

Would you take either this week

- Garnie

Boychuk. He'll probably get a few points Tuesday night.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 20 @ 9:12 PM ET
"In ownership news, Sports Illustrated is reporting that Barclays Center majority owner, Bruce Ratner, is selling his share of the arena. What does this mean for the Islanders? New owners, Jonathan Ledecky and Scott Malkin, have been linked as possible suitors to become majority owners of the building. If this becomes a reality, it would really cement the Islanders future in Brooklyn."


I have a different take on this. The Isles' lease is with the Ratner entity that owns the Barclays Center, right?. If Ratner continues to control the Barclays Center, there would be little chance of the Isles getting out of their lease at a reasonable price. On the other hand, if the Isles' new owners control the Barclays Center, then they control both ends of the same lease. In other words, if it becomes economically feasible for whatever reason (NVMC gets renovated, e.g.), then the Isles can break their lease with Barclays with no consequences. (Presumably, the Barclays can still turn a profit without the Isles.)

- JohnScammo
seriously? you think the isles new owners would buy into brooklyn to move the team out of it? theyre going to spend major dollars marketing the team in brooklyn and then throw that away? dude...you're on crack. that makes no business sense period.

lets think about this. The Isles would own their building. So instead of playing in a building they own, that they blow tons of money on to build up the fan base in brooklyn to bring in crowds, we'll drop all of that to move back to a building to fans we left, and play there and pay the owner of that building to play there, while the building we own now loses 41 home games a year.

said no good business man - ever.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 20 @ 9:13 PM ET
So in the last two games, teams take liberties with the Isles, leading to at least one serious injury (concussion), and no one wants to dress Carkner or Boulton against the Leafs??? Gee, what could go wrong? It's not like there's a history of the Leafs beating up on the Isles.
- JohnScammo
who on the leafs can martin not handle?
Ur Not Me
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 11.30.2008

Oct 20 @ 9:35 PM ET
who on the leafs can martin not handle?
- Isles_since_6



Leafs waived there goons..... so nothing really to worry about
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 20 @ 9:42 PM ET
Leafs waived there goons..... so nothing really to worry about
- Ur Not Me

exactly
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Oct 20 @ 9:47 PM ET
So in the last two games, teams take liberties with the Isles, leading to at least one serious injury (concussion), and no one wants to dress Carkner or Boulton against the Leafs??? Gee, what could go wrong? It's not like there's a history of the Leafs beating up on the Isles.
- JohnScammo

I would love to see Boulton over Mcdonald but you're thinking of the old leafs that had Mclaren and Orr. Those guys are in the minors. Like it was said earlier Martin would be fine against anybody the leafs have now. If orr was still on the team Boulton would be playing
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Oct 20 @ 9:55 PM ET
seriously? you think the isles new owners would buy into brooklyn to move the team out of it? theyre going to spend major dollars marketing the team in brooklyn and then throw that away? dude...you're on crack. that makes no business sense period.

lets think about this. The Isles would own their building. So instead of playing in a building they own, that they blow tons of money on to build up the fan base in brooklyn to bring in crowds, we'll drop all of that to move back to a building to fans we left, and play there and pay the owner of that building to play there, while the building we own now loses 41 home games a year.

said no good business man - ever.

- Isles_since_6


You misunderstood my post. I wasn't saying that they were purchasing Barclays in order to break the lease and move back to NVMC. My point was simply that it goes from being a near impossibility to a possibility if everything else falls into place. As long as Ratner controls Barclays, the Isles are going nowhere. Breaking the lease would be way too expensive. However, if the Isles' new owners control Barclays, then anything can happen. I agree that it is still unlikely, but it now becomes a possibility.

So if the Isles fail to draw crowds to Barclays (unlikely IMO), and Nassau County renovates NVMC, and the LIRR rehabilitates the old freight spur along Stewart Avenue so that it can transport fans to games......... etc....
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Oct 20 @ 10:00 PM ET
I would love to see Boulton over Mcdonald but you're thinking of the old leafs that had Mclaren and Orr. Those guys are in the minors. Like it was said earlier Martin would be fine against anybody the leafs have now. If orr was still on the team Boulton would be playing
- Vukota


I stand corrected. I did not know that. On the other hand, Martin apparently doesn't scare anyone on the Sharks or Penguins, because both teams took liberties with the Isles.

So the Isles are keeping Boulton and Carkner on the roster just for games against the Bruins and Flyers???
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 20 @ 10:03 PM ET
You misunderstood my post. I wasn't saying that they were purchasing Barclays in order to break the lease and move back to NVMC. My point was simply that it goes from being a near impossibility to a possibility if everything else falls into place. As long as Ratner controls Barclays, the Isles are going nowhere. Breaking the lease would be way too expensive. However, if the Isles' new owners control Barclays, then anything can happen. I agree that it is still unlikely, but it now becomes a possibility.

So if the Isles fail to draw crowds to Barclays (unlikely IMO), and Nassau County renovates NVMC, and the LIRR rehabilitates the old freight spur along Stewart Avenue so that it can transport fans to games......... etc....

- JohnScammo


Oh I understood it perfectly, so tell me how financially, buying the building the team you own and moving them out of it would make any business sense at all? They'd be buying the building to get all of the revenue instead of the guaranteed amount. There's no good reason to move them out of the building if they buy the building. Your reasoning misses that fact. They move back to the old building and they're back to being a tenant with no control of the building and less revenue... How in the world would that make sense?
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Oct 20 @ 10:04 PM ET
I stand corrected. I did not know that. On the other hand, Martin apparently doesn't scare anyone on the Sharks or Penguins, because both teams took liberties with the Isles.

So the Isles are keeping Boulton and Carkner on the roster just for games against the Bruins and Flyers???

- JohnScammo

When was the last time a goon was actually a deterent and not a cheap staged fight?
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Oct 20 @ 10:30 PM ET
Oh I understood it perfectly, so tell me how financially, buying the building the team you own and moving them out of it would make any business sense at all? They'd be buying the building to get all of the revenue instead of the guaranteed amount. There's no good reason to move them out of the building if they buy the building. Your reasoning misses that fact. They move back to the old building and they're back to being a tenant with no control of the building and less revenue... How in the world would that make sense?
- Isles_since_6



There are way too many variables to go into in detail. Does Barclays make a profit currently? I don't know, do you? How much additional profit would they make with the Isles playing there? What is the cost of converting the arena from basketball to hockey and back to basketball? I know it can be done--like at MSG--but I have no idea whether the expense is significant.

Furthermore, you presume to know the details of the hypothetical new lease at NVMC. How do you know what the Isles could negotiate in 2022?

The point of my original post was just that the purchase of the Barclays gives the new owners options that they don't currently have. Is everything likely to fall into place so that the Isles would ever move back to NVMC? Nope.
JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Oct 20 @ 10:32 PM ET
When was the last time a goon was actually a deterent and not a cheap staged fight?
- Isles_since_6


Hard to say.... I keep thinking back to the great game against the Pens when the Isles gooned it up and beat the Pens 9 - 3. Admittedly, that was a few seasons ago.
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