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xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 19 @ 4:54 PM ET
You know what if we are committed to the rebuild we might as well dangle guys like Grossman, Schenn x2 and Coburn and see what we can get for the future. If we can get some young Left wingers to get some real depth there that would be fantastic right now. We need something better than Raffl, Schenn, Umberger, Rinaldo. If you can deal Vinny and Umberger as well go for it. You got Laughton coming up in a year or two and with C jam packed with Giroux, Couturier, Vinny, Schenn, Laughton, Bellmare and even Raffl can play C on fourth line. Use some of that depth to fix some holes.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Oct 19 @ 5:00 PM ET
You know what if we are committed to the rebuild we might as well dangle guys like Grossman, Schenn x2 and Coburn and see what we can get for the future. If we can get some young Left wingers to get some real depth there that would be fantastic right now. We need something better than Raffl, Schenn, Umberger, Rinaldo. If you can deal Vinny and Umberger as well go for it. You got Laughton coming up in a year or two and with C jam packed with Giroux, Couturier, Vinny, Schenn, Laughton, Bellmare and even Raffl can play C on fourth line. Use some of that depth to fix some holes.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Why are we moving Coburn again?
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Oct 19 @ 5:15 PM ET
Why are we moving Coburn again?
- KGBflyers10

he was freakin invisible last night
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 19 @ 5:21 PM ET
Why are we moving Coburn again?
- KGBflyers10
Why not? He's going to be old by the time we are a contender again plus his contract is up in what 2-3 years?
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 19 @ 5:22 PM ET
he was freakin invisible last night
- hogweed


He's been invisible since the game in Boston
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 19 @ 5:28 PM ET
Why not? He's going to be old by the time we are a contender again plus his contract is up in what 2-3 years?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Giroux going to be old one day. Let's trade him for a bag of pucks while we still can.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Oct 19 @ 5:29 PM ET
i do like that song.
- mark_laforest


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 5:29 PM ET
Good resiliency and heart in getting the win last night. I'll take the two points. But playing like they are overall, is not going to result in consistent wins. Still too many colossal breakdowns. On the Cole goal, nothing wrong with coming up and challenging that play in the neutral zone by Luke Schenn. But he is on the wrong side of the puck. Keep the man in front of you, and take the body, and it's a simple retrieval by Streit. And Rinaldo compounds it by lazily skating in the neutral zone, and only getting on his horse when he realizes that it's a two on one. If he was skating hard the entire time, maybe he takes away the pass to Cole.
The Benn goal simply can't happen.Another catastrophic breakdown. If you're going outnumber the opposition down low, and leave the front of the net, you better come away with the puck. Streit neither engaged in the puck battle, nor covered the front of the net.

Good finish with the game winner by Giroux to make up for the otherwise awful game he had overall.
I also thought MacDonald has his first poor game of the season.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 19 @ 5:31 PM ET
Why not? He's going to be old by the time we are a contender again plus his contract is up in what 2-3 years?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Coburn is nearly untouchable to me.

For all the promise the D prospects have, they could be a sack of poop in reality as well. Coburn is a fairly durable player that can compliment a top pairing guy, or lead the 2nd pairing.

They don't grow on trees, and he actually does have good talent/speed to his game. Unload the dead weight, Coburn can still be useful for a long while.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 19 @ 5:35 PM ET
Flyers shopping b schenn
http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phi141019.html

- Winning


Not sure why. You'd hope management would have learned what it means to sell low on a player that's young just to make a move.

Who is going to come in and replace bSchenn as a top 6 player, and be a viable candidate for that long term? Only one I can figure is Laughton which does have some credibility.

However just goes back the point of why selling low on Brayden now. Give the player his time, his value wont be going much lower. Give Laughton his time in the AHL. Stay the course.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 5:38 PM ET
Coburn is nearly untouchable to me.

For all the promise the D prospects have, they could be a sack of poop in reality as well. Coburn is a fairly durable player that can compliment a top pairing guy, or lead the 2nd pairing.

They don't grow on trees, and he actually does have good talent/speed to his game. Unload the dead weight, Coburn can still be useful for a long while.

- flyer_nutter



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 5:39 PM ET
Not sure why. You'd hope management would have learned what it means to sell low on a player that's young just to make a move.

Who is going to come in and replace bSchenn as a top 6 player, and be a viable candidate for that long term? Only one I can figure is Laughton which does have some credibility.

However just goes back the point of why selling low on Brayden now. Give the player his time, his value wont be going much lower. Give Laughton his time in the AHL. Stay the course.

- flyer_nutter



I personally don't buy it. It would have to be a pretty good return such as an impact defenseman.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 19 @ 5:40 PM ET
I personally don't buy it. It would have to be a pretty good return such as an impact defenseman.
- MJL


I just don't see the point of selling a young player at a really low value just to make a move when you really don't have a viable long term replacement kicking down the door.

Edit: You want to make a move to appease an annoyed fanbase? Kick out Holmgren's ass from club president, revamp a bit of the scouting department and get Cote the (frank) away from coaching. The problems with the Flyers have long not started with the guys on the ice.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 5:41 PM ET
I just don't see the point of selling a young player at a really low value just to make a move when you really don't have a viable long term replacement kicking down the door.
- flyer_nutter


Well if they were trading him, it wouldn't be for low value. I don't see Hextall entertaining that kind of move at this time.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 19 @ 5:44 PM ET
Well if they were trading him, it wouldn't be for low value. I don't see Hextall entertaining that kind of move at this time.
- MJL


I see his value pretty low to be honest. He scored 20 but I cant imagine him getting you anything really of note straight up. He would bring back a player with warts like himself at this time.

What kind of player you seeing him being able to bring back?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 5:46 PM ET
I see his value pretty low to be honest. He scored 20 but I cant imagine him getting you anything really of note straight up. He would bring back a player with warts like himself at this time.

What kind of player you seeing him being able to bring back?

- flyer_nutter


I think you're underselling his value. A comparable young player, in a deal that would fill a need for each team.

A 20 goals scorer is a valuable player in this League. And after a slow start, Schenn has played 2 pretty strong games.
mark_laforest
Location: i filled the bowl 3 times yesterday. i feel hollow in the abdomen.
Joined: 01.30.2011

Oct 19 @ 5:46 PM ET
later, guys
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 19 @ 5:47 PM ET
I think you're underselling his value. A comparable young player, in a deal that would fill a need for each team.
- MJL


Names? I really cant think of any that I like.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 19 @ 5:48 PM ET
Pitbull to perform at Eagles/Cowboys thanksgiving halftime
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 19 @ 5:48 PM ET
Pitbull to perform at Eagles/Cowboys thanksgiving halftime
- Crimsoninja


Dale!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 19 @ 5:49 PM ET
Couturier was a monster on draws last night. Won 17, lost 6.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 19 @ 5:50 PM ET
Dale!
- Jsaquella

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 19 @ 5:53 PM ET
You know what if we are committed to the rebuild we might as well dangle guys like Grossman, Schenn x2 and Coburn and see what we can get for the future. If we can get some young Left wingers to get some real depth there that would be fantastic right now. We need something better than Raffl, Schenn, Umberger, Rinaldo. If you can deal Vinny and Umberger as well go for it. You got Laughton coming up in a year or two and with C jam packed with Giroux, Couturier, Vinny, Schenn, Laughton, Bellmare and even Raffl can play C on fourth line. Use some of that depth to fix some holes.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Dangle away, but I'd want premium returns on Brayden Schenn & Coburn. The only reason to trade either of those two is because you'd get a better return than you would for Luke Schenn or Grossmann.

I doubt Vinny or Umberger are tradeable right now, unless you're willing to add other assets or eat sizeable chunks of their salaries.

-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Oct 19 @ 6:00 PM ET
Couturier was a monster on draws last night. Won 17, lost 6.
- MJL


after a horrific start teamwise they pulled that stat back up
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Oct 19 @ 6:01 PM ET
Dale!
- Jsaquella


yess
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