wtf are you talking about.
- Tomahawk

You said Grossmann had "a clean bill of health" when we acquired him. Feanor says that his knees were already bad at that time.

Edit: I may have read that wrong. It was implied, I thought you had stated it explicitly.

But Bogosian and Luke Schenn are two totally different players.

Yet he is still only 24 years old and his cap hit is only 5.142mil. Look at what defenders are getting now. Brodin, Brodie, Gardnier are all getting 4-4.5 million. If I can get my future number one at his cap hit, I think it is a steal because we know the cap will start going up next year.
- J35Bacher

IF he is your #1, then yes. But $5.1M for potential is a tough sell to me.

You said Grossmann had "a clean bill of health" when we acquired him. Feanor says that his knees were already bad at that time.
- jmatchett383

I suggest you back read for accuracy.

IF he is your #1, then yes. But $5.1M for potential is a tough sell to me.
- jmatchett383

Yep.. God help us if that doesn't work out. In half season he could become the whipping boy.

I suggest you back read for accuracy.
- Tomahawk

Edited. My apology. But even so, you did imply that he was healthy when we got him.

Yeah, that's the difference between Bogo and L Schenn.... Bogo has that expansive upside and has every tool in the box you could want but health... Schenn's upside was based on a role/style that was/is being phased out of the league.
- Tomahawk

The role of the defensive physical defenseman will never be phased out of the League.

Yep.. God help us if that doesn't work out. In half season he could become the whipping boy.
- Hextall271

Could???

IF he is your #1, then yes. But $5.1M for potential is a tough sell to me.
- jmatchett383

I guess but 5.1 isn't what it used to be and when guys are starting to get 7, 8, 9, million I think this risk would be worth it. At 24 I am ok. If he was 29-30 then I would have a different view

The role of the defensive physical defenseman will never be phased out of the League.
- MJL

No, but a physical defenseman who contributes little on the offensive side and does not play well defensively is more on the player, not the game. Sure, guys like Weber, Kronwall, even a younger Brooks Orpik will never go away. But you need to be able to do more than just throw an ill-timed hit here and there.

Edited. My apology. But even so, you did imply that he was healthy when we got him.
- jmatchett383

That's not what I meant, but if you want to read it that way, I can't stop you.

Flyers development of Schenn and Couts has been horrendous.

If and when they trade Brayden, they will not win the trade.

No, but a physical defenseman who contributes little on the offensive side and does not play well defensively is more on the player, not the game. Sure, guys like Weber, Kronwall, even a younger Brooks Orpik will never go away. But you need to be able to do more than just throw an ill-timed hit here and there.
- jmatchett383

A defensive defenseman needs to defend well, which is more then just about throwing hits as you state. There is always going to be a role for that kind of player in the NHL.

Yep.. God help us if that doesn't work out. In half season he could become the whipping boy.
- Hextall271

And how great if he did just need a change. Next season you could start reshaping the defensive players like:

Coburn
Bogosian
Streit
MacDonald
Gostisbiere
Morin
Haag
Alt


I like that mix a lot better

No, but a physical defenseman who contributes little on the offensive side and does not play well defensively is more on the player, not the game. Sure, guys like Weber, Kronwall, even a younger Brooks Orpik will never go away. But you need to be able to do more than just throw an ill-timed hit here and there.
- jmatchett383

I think Morin is more of the modern defensive defenseman. He can skate, handle the puck a bit and isn't lost in the offensive zone. He'll likely never wow you with great offensive numbers, but his offense won't slow the team down.

That's not what I meant, but if you want to read it that way, I can't stop you.
- Tomahawk

I'm just curious, honestly. Not trying to "pwn" you or anything. But you mentioned his age and cap hit when we got him, then mentioned his age and cap hit "and a poor bill of health" now, which I thought was implying he did not have a poor bill of health before. If not, my bad.

I think Morin is more of the modern defensive defenseman. He can skate, handle the puck a bit and isn't lost in the offensive zone. He'll likely never wow you with great offensive numbers, but his offense won't slow the team down.
- PhillySportsGuy

Maybe a poor man's Derian Hatcher (the Dallas years)?

A defensive defenseman needs to defend well, which is more then just about throwing hits as you state. There is always going to be a role for that kind of player in the NHL.
- MJL

The clutch-grab/interference rules have halved their effectiveness in front of the net and along the boards. Used to be every team had a Luke Schenn on their top-pair. Not anymore.

Maybe a poor man's Derian Hatcher (the Dallas years)?
- jmatchett383

I was 10 years old at that point. I knew who Hatcher was, but I can't tell you what his offensive game was like.

Edited. My apology. But even so, you did imply that he was healthy when we got him.
- jmatchett383

Played 74 games the year we got him, 30 games in the shortened 45 game season and 78 last year... and played in the playoffs until he got hurt...

I must be missing something about his health as he has not really missed much game time due to injury...

He plays a physical game, he is going to be banged up a bit here and there...he ate those boards the other night and was back out a shift later...i don't thin kteams are worried about his health once he has his legs back following surgery..

Played 74 games the year we got him, 30 games in the shortened 45 game season and 78 last year... and played in the playoffs until he got hurt...

I must be missing something about his health as he has not really missed much game time due to injury...

He plays a physical game, he is going to be banged up a bit here and there...he ate those boards the other night and was back out a shift later...i don't thin kteams are worried about his health once he has his legs back following surgery..
- JW98FlyerFan

Hes had concussion issues in the past and the surgeries eventually take their toll. It could slow down an already very slow player. Those are probably the major concerns. No one can question is toughness and ability to play through pain though.

Hes had concussion issues in the past and the surgeries eventually take their toll. It could slow down an already very slow player. Those are probably the major concerns. No one can question is toughness and ability to play through pain though.
- PhillySportsGuy

Agree, that is why I think he could garner some solid interest at the TDL if the Flyers looked to move him...

I think Morin is more of the modern defensive defenseman. He can skate, handle the puck a bit and isn't lost in the offensive zone. He'll likely never wow you with great offensive numbers, but his offense won't slow the team down.
- PhillySportsGuy

Add that to being huge and having a nasty disposition and I can't wait to see him in orange and black!!

I was 10 years old at that point. I knew who Hatcher was, but I can't tell you what his offensive game was like.
- PhillySportsGuy

Actually Derian Hatcher in his prime is a good comp for Morin. Big, mean, decent skills and mobility. I'd be thrilled with that.

Actually Derian Hatcher in his prime is a good comp for Morin. Big, mean, decent skills and mobility. I'd be thrilled with that.
- BiggE

Ah, Morin's got a glass jaw he's not that tough!

Agree, that is why I think he could garner some solid interest at the TDL if the Flyers looked to move him...
- JW98FlyerFan

There's other options that don't have the cumulative injury burden and the extra year on the contract that will be more attractive