Don't care, they don't have to and that's their right. I happen to have an attention span that lasts more than 30 seconds, though.
- DynamicThreads

Well good you ,most here don't !

I am incredibly disappointed in him and expect more so I'm being very hard on him and think he needs to shoot and score more because he isn't a physical presence and he doesn't block shots. I think he is highly skilled but refuse to keep making excuses for him like other fans do. He doesn't seem to have much heart and I think he should be putting up numbers regardless of how bad the team is. Since we are comparing dirt to water (Ovechkin to Myers) then I will do the same. Pavel Bure scored 60 goals on a Florida Panthers team that was AWFUL. And he did it what, 2 or 3 years in a row? There is no reason a skilled/good player cannot put up numbers on a bad team.

My conclusion is that Tyler Myers showed us his ceiling in his rookie season and hasn't come close to it since and I doubt he will ever surpass those stats in the future, even if he repeats it several times. To me, he looks like he was drafted as a player who's potential was topped out as a rookie and he doesn't seem like he will ever change his game to a more physical style of play, nor a more gritty style. He is a one dimensional player who needs more skill around him in order to play up to his ceiling and if placed in that situation now, via trade or in 2 years time when our prospects are up and our young players are veterans he will simply top out again at 10g/40a per which is more than acceptable if he is producing those numbers but inexcusable if he hasn't been able to in the past 4 years.

My opinion is based on observation, social awareness and having watched and played hockey for about 25 years amoung other things. Whereas others have argued based on personal feelings, I have made judgement on the player according to his on ice performance, demeanor and attitude, as well as his production.

For the record I think Tyler Myers is a highly skilled player and he has at least proven to be able to put up respectable numbers. however, I think his potential has maxed out and his ceiling has been reached. Because of this, I think he is more valuable in a trade scenario to land a skilled player with high potential and offensive upside. I mentioned Devonte Smith-Pelle from Anaheim as a player I would "trade Myers for straight up" and while that was brash, after having time to think over it, I think if you throw in Cam Fowler that's a trade where both teams win out.

Tyler Myers for Cam Fowler and Devonte Smith-Pelle. And were I GM (having been scolded for saying Myers for Smith Pelle stright up) I obviously wouldn't have been so brash in that decision and having had time to think this over, this is my opinion.
- DynamicThreads

Okay I won't break it all down just a few points, I will conclude with the bolded.

Myers never was this physical beast of a player. However when he tried to change his game to be that physical player he often made dumb mistakes, took bad penalties and was suspended a few times for high hits. Trying to change what he is, is dumb for any coach to push. He is a 6'8 D that skates like he is 5'11. He has a very underrated wrist shot and I don't think he has even come close to hitting his full potential.

On a previous post you mentioned Pavel Bure scoring 50 on the "awful" Panthers. I am pretty certain that those Panthers teams made the playoffs one of those years and missed the other year, but still had more talent on the team than the current Buffalo Sabres. Which I would know from watching the game...

Which brings me to my last point, there are many people who have watched the game and played the game for 25 plus years. I happen to be one of them, I played high end amateur hockey, and I have also reffed the highest real amateur hockey there is. I know the x's and o's and what scouts look for because I happened to talk to them when they are at game I was working, not to mention Dudley is a friend of my Uncle's (he coached my uncle in the AHL). I've also been on the ice with the last 3 Sabres teams in training camp (minus this season since I moved) so don't start that here.

You are disappointed he hasn't "found" that potential from his rookie season, most of us here feel the same way, but we can also see when he turned the corner and he is actually playing better than his rookie season. The points might not be there but he is playing better in his zone. The points will come.

Edit: A late addition also the blocking shots thing...he has injured himself numerous times blocking shots. A broken hand here, a broken bone in his leg there. So because he isn't Jay McKee he doesn't block shots? But again you are bitter about him for some reason that I cannot grasp.

Okay I won't break it all down just a few points, I will conclude with the bolded.

Myers never was this physical beast of a player. However when he tried to change his game to be that physical player he often made dumb mistakes, took bad penalties and was suspended a few times for high hits. Trying to change what he is, is dumb for any coach to push. He is a 6'8 D that skates like he is 5'11. He has a very underrated wrist shot and I don't think he has even come close to hitting his full potential.

On a previous post you mentioned Pavel Bure scoring 50 on the "awful" Panthers. I am pretty certain that those Panthers teams made the playoffs one of those years and missed the other year, but still had more talent on the team than the current Buffalo Sabres. Which I would know from watching the game...

Which brings me to my last point, there are many people who have watched the game and played the game for 25 plus years. I happen to be one of them, I played high end amateur hockey, and I have also reffed the highest real amateur hockey there is. I know the x's and o's and what scouts look for because I happened to talk to them when they are at game I was working, not to mention Dudley is a friend of my Uncle's (he coached my uncle in the AHL). I've also been on the ice with the last 3 Sabres teams in training camp (minus this season since I moved) so don't start that here.

You are disappointed he hasn't "found" that potential from his rookie season, most of us here feel the same way, but we can also see when he turned the corner and he is actually playing better than his rookie season. The points might not be there but he is playing better in his zone. The points will come.
- Stripes77

Thank you for a great answer .

Myers never was this physical beast of a player. However when he tried to change his game to be that physical player he often made dumb mistakes,.
- Stripes77

my eyes say different (flyers series)

Don't know . I have a buddy in the Movie Business that gets a lot of screeners ( dvd s before the movies hit theaters ) . And sends a few to me . I hope he gets that one. I love those little buggers.
- Maximum Signal

you need to listen to the neil young interview on the howard stern show

Something I learned this season

Dom made many sabre fans, including myself, overvalue Ted Nolan

I can't wait for next year.

They have 1 top 6 forward on this team right now
- sbroads24

moulson or ennis?

Something I learned this season

Dom made many sabre fans, including myself, overvalue Ted Nolan
- homiedclown

Maybe it's just a different era. He did take a pretty talentless Isles team to the post season a while back.

I do think we are playing well in our own zone, it's when we attempt to play "offense" that is scary looking

moulson or ennis?
- homiedclown

Right now Ennis.


Moulson and Hodgson need to do something

Something I learned this season

Dom made many sabre fans, including myself, overvalue Ted Nolan
- homiedclown

Ted is not going to be here when this team is ready . That is a given .

Maybe it's just a different era. He did take a pretty talentless Isles team to the post season a while back.

I do think we are playing well in our own zone, it's when we attempt to play "offense" that is scary looking
- sbroads24

I would like to see them hire another assistant . A face off specialist . Winning more draws would definitely help.

my eyes say different (flyers series)
- homiedclown

Small sample size plus it's playoff hockey he should reach even deeper and since the Sabres haven't made the playoffs since regular season has been that posters time frame I went with his play in the regular season.

Okay I won't break it all down just a few points, I will conclude with the bolded.

Myers never was this physical beast of a player. However when he tried to change his game to be that physical player he often made dumb mistakes, took bad penalties and was suspended a few times for high hits. Trying to change what he is, is dumb for any coach to push. He is a 6'8 D that skates like he is 5'11. He has a very underrated wrist shot and I don't think he has even come close to hitting his full potential.

On a previous post you mentioned Pavel Bure scoring 50 on the "awful" Panthers. I am pretty certain that those Panthers teams made the playoffs one of those years and missed the other year, but still had more talent on the team than the current Buffalo Sabres. Which I would know from watching the game...

Which brings me to my last point, there are many people who have watched the game and played the game for 25 plus years. I happen to be one of them, I played high end amateur hockey, and I have also reffed the highest real amateur hockey there is. I know the x's and o's and what scouts look for because I happened to talk to them when they are at game I was working, not to mention Dudley is a friend of my Uncle's (he coached my uncle in the AHL). I've also been on the ice with the last 3 Sabres teams in training camp (minus this season since I moved) so don't start that here.

You are disappointed he hasn't "found" that potential from his rookie season, most of us here feel the same way, but we can also see when he turned the corner and he is actually playing better than his rookie season. The points might not be there but he is playing better in his zone. The points will come.

Edit: A late addition also the blocking shots thing...he has injured himself numerous times blocking shots. A broken hand here, a broken bone in his leg there. So because he isn't Jay McKee he doesn't block shots? But again you are bitter about him for some reason that I cannot grasp.
- Stripes77

1st Bold: First off, you obviously wanted to turn this into a pissing contest since you and a few other have asked repeatedly why I'm down on Myers and I've repeatedly answered. I just mentioned it as another reason why I have my opinion of him, something none of you have done whilst defending the crap out of him. I didn't start anything, in fact, have been the only one to defend my stance, really. Having played street/roller/ice/floor hockey here and there for most of my life was a simple statement that I provided in response to being questioned on my opinion of Tyler Myers. You asked, and I answered.

2nd Bold: He really is not. Really. He looks the same this year as the player he has been the past few years and that is neither a knock on him nor a praise on him.

3rd bold: I have repeatedly stated why I am not high on Tyler Myers so if you cannot grasp it at this point then you have a reading comprehension problem, since you and several others have repeatedly questioned my opinion of Myers and I have repeatedly provided adequate response and credible opinion as to why I am not only down on him as a player but feel it might be in the team's best interest to trade him while they can get a king's ransom in return. All the while repeatedly stating that I think he is the most skilled player on the team.

I do not hate him and am not bitter in my opinion of him and other than calling him a bum have not been biased in my assessment of him. But I never reffed or played amateur hockey, so what do I know?

I dunno who Dudley is and I dunno who Schopp is or whoever. I know what I see and I see an under-performing player. Simple.

1st Bold: First off, you obviously wanted to turn this into a pissing contest since you and a few other have asked repeatedly why I'm down on Myers and I've repeatedly answered. I just mentioned it as another reason why I have my opinion of him, something none of you have done whilst defending the crap out of him. I didn't start anything, in fact, have been the only one to defend my stance, really. Having played street/roller/ice/floor hockey here and there for most of my life was a simple statement that I provided in response to being questioned on my opinion of Tyler Myers. You asked, and I answered.

2nd Bold: He really is not. Really. He looks the same this year as the player he has been the past few years and that is neither a knock on him nor a praise on him.

3rd bold: I have repeatedly stated why I am not high on Tyler Myers so if you cannot grasp it at this point then you have a reading comprehension problem, since you and several others have repeatedly questioned my opinion of Myers and I have repeatedly provided adequate response and credible opinion as to why I am not only down on him as a player but feel it might be in the team's best interest to trade him while they can get a king's ransom in return. All the while repeatedly stating that I think he is the most skilled player on the team.

I do not hate him and am not bitter in my opinion of him and other than calling him a bum have not been biased in my assessment of him. But I never reffed or played amateur hockey, so what do I know?

I dunno who Dudley is and I dunno who Schopp is or whoever. I know what I see and I see an under-performing player. Simple.
- DynamicThreads

Post as often as you want and feel free not to like whomever you choose on the Sabres, even though many will be offended on here if you are not in lockstep with their beliefs. I'm meh about Myers right now myself. I used to be someone who feared trading him because of the player he might become on another team but if TM gets what he wants for him and it helps build the Sabres so be it. Big guys who are soft and are not producing offensively like he once did, and who do not dominate in the defensive zone have me wishing they were more. Myers skates great for a guy his size and has a great reach and plays the right side. Obviously TM isn't as enthralled with Myers as many on this site are or Myers wouldn't even be considered so prominently in trade talks/rumors as he has been for months. He would be seen as a neccessary building block for the rebuild, but if Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger among others are right, it could be fairly asserted that TM sees him as a more valuable trade chip than a building block.

Post as often as you want and feel free not to like whomever you choose on the Sabres, even though many will be offended on here if you are not in lockstep with their beliefs. I'm meh about Myers right now myself. I used to be someone who feared trading him because of the player he might become on another team but if TM gets what he wants for him and it helps build the Sabres so be it. Big guys who are soft and are not producing offensively like he once did, and who do not dominate in the defensive zone have me wishing they were more. Myers skates great for a guy his size and has a great reach and plays the right side. Obviously TM isn't as enthralled with Myers as many on this site are or Myers wouldn't even be considered so prominently in trade talks/rumors as he has been for months. He would be seen as a neccessary building block for the rebuild, but if Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger among others are right, it could be fairly asserted that TM sees him as a more valuable trade chip than a building block.
- GilPerreault11

Thanks.

you are bitter about him for some reason that I cannot grasp.
- Stripes77

Whos dat guy in the #57???

Something I learned this season

Dom made many sabre fans, including myself, overvalue Ted Nolan
- homiedclown

Why because Nolan once again is handed a pile of poop and is expected to turn it into gold everytime?
This is not Nolan's fault, but people will make it his fault I know.
That's what "agenda" is all about.
Jesus, look at this roster.
Ugh , the "land of misfit toys".
The most talented player on that roster last night was Tyler Ennis and that isn't saying very much.
This roster's talent doesn't compare to the roster the Dominator had in front of him.
Not even close!
But it's Nolan's fault.

Maybe it's just a different era. He did take a pretty talentless Isles team to the post season a while back.

I do think we are playing well in our own zone, it's when we attempt to play "offense" that is scary looking
- sbroads24

Di Pietro also had a career year that season. Without stellar goaltending, Nolan's method does not work.

Why because Nolan once again is handed a pile of poop and is expected to turn it into gold everytime?
This is not Nolan's fault, but people will make it his fault I know.
That's what "agenda" is all about.
Jesus, look at this roster.
Ugh , the "land of misfit toys".
The most talented player on that roster last night was Tyler Ennis and that isn't saying very much.
This roster's talent doesn't compare to the roster the Dominator had in front of him.
Not even close!
But it's Nolan's fault.
- BuffaloHardHat

You're right. This roster is sub-par. But all summer we kept hearing from people how Coach Theo was going to turn the likes of Drew Stafford and Chris Stewart into guys that meet their full potential, despite the fact that his track record of developing offensive players is zilch. He's also doing the exact same thing Reinhart that Ruff and Rolston did with Grigorenko, bury him with 4th liners that can barely skate. This season is going exactly as expected this year. The disconnect lies in the notion that the blue collar fanbase actually thought Nolan could change that.

Also, without Hasek that 1997 team doesn't come close to the playoffs.

Post as often as you want and feel free not to like whomever you choose on the Sabres, even though many will be offended on here if you are not in lockstep with their beliefs. I'm meh about Myers right now myself. I used to be someone who feared trading him because of the player he might become on another team but if TM gets what he wants for him and it helps build the Sabres so be it. Big guys who are soft and are not producing offensively like he once did, and who do not dominate in the defensive zone have me wishing they were more. Myers skates great for a guy his size and has a great reach and plays the right side. Obviously TM isn't as enthralled with Myers as many on this site are or Myers wouldn't even be considered so prominently in trade talks/rumors as he has been for months. He would be seen as a neccessary building block for the rebuild, but if Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger among others are right, it could be fairly asserted that TM sees him as a more valuable trade chip than a building block.
- GilPerreault11

I never understood this line of thinking: refusing to trade a player (or fire a coach in Ruff's case) because he might be better someplace else. If he's not going to reach his full potential here, keeping a guy around holds your team back. I don't necessarily know if that's the case with Myers, but if they don't feel he'll be great with this team, he should be out of here yesterday.

You're right. This roster is sub-par. But all summer we kept hearing from people how Coach Theo was going to turn the likes of Drew Stafford and Chris Stewart into guys that meet their full potential, despite the fact that his track record of developing offensive players is zilch. He's also doing the exact same thing Reinhart that Ruff and Rolston did with Grigorenko, bury him with 4th liners that can barely skate. This season is going exactly as expected this year. The disconnect lies in the notion that the blue collar fanbase actually thought Nolan could change that.
- buffalofan19

I'm not trying to be "right".
Just making a point I think that may be getting overlooked is all.
Reinhart on the 4th line I don't agree with either but I think we all know this is a decision dictated to Teddy from the men above him.
Reinhart should have been sent back before the season even started which once again I don't believe was Teddy's decision.
The man is handcuffed and is doing the best he can with what he is given which frankly, isn't much.

Love to chat more about this but trampolines need to come down, pools need to be closed,basketball hoops taken down, ac units removed and patio furniture needs to stored.
The winter is fast approaching, time to get ready for it today.
Not looking forward to this today out in the rain.
Have a one of a kind day y'all....in the best possible way.

I'm not trying to be "right".
Just making a point I think that may be getting overlooked is all.
Reinhart on the 4th line I don't agree with either but I think we all know this is a decision dictated to Teddy from the men above him.
Reinhart should have been sent back before the season even started which once again I don't believe was Teddy's decision.
The man is handcuffed and is doing the best he can with what he is given which frankly, isn't much.
- BuffaloHardHat

It might not be Nolan's decision to have him on the roster. It's definitely his decision as to when and where to play him. He talks about "earning" spots. I fail to see how any of the guys in front of him have "earned" anything, save maybe Girgensons. Moulson and Hodgson have been outright invisible. Ennis has been a lot of flash, but very little finish. Stafford and Stewart both look like their IQ's decreased about 15 points over the summer.

That would be the truth . Just buckle up and enjoy the ride to our final destination.



- Maximum Signal

Thank god I can buy beer at games now

This year is playing out perfectly...only disappointments are:
1) the Isles coming out like gang busters....hopefully they turn into last years Leafs and have an epic collapse
2) Carolina with killer injuries causing them to plummet to the bottom faster than a boulder in a lake ... We are really going to have to be creative to "stay with them" until the Stahls return.
Nolan for Gov.!