I'd put Yakupov's trade value as slightly less than Seguin's as a Bruin.

Both packages in the blog seem to be in the right ballpark.
- Tumbleweed

Then yiu do t watch Oiler games. At the same point in their careers Seguin accomplished way more.

I proposed this the other day:

Hanzal + Yandle for Schultz + Eberle

Done deal.
- NugentHallberle

hes their number 1 center. theyd trade yandle or michalek cause they have depth in that postion and MIGHT be able to overcome that hole.

losing hanzal guts their center depth. gagner is nowhere near a 1c. and vermette, while a great defensive player, is much better suited to a 3c role.

I can see something surrounding ebs/yaks for a defender as the main pieces. we need that, and they need wingers.

also, the original michalek suggestion scares the sh1t outta me. at his best, he has some skills that we could use for sure. but is he enough of an impact dman to do that for us?
of course id take a chance on him for a much lower price. but in exchange for yaks or ebs, id have to say no.

hes their number 1 center. theyd trade yandle or michalek cause they have depth in that postion and MIGHT be able to overcome that hole.

losing hanzal guts their center depth. gagner is nowhere near a 1c. and vermette, while a great defensive player, is much better suited to a 3c role.

I can see something surrounding ebs/yaks for a defender as the main pieces. we need that, and they need wingers.

also, the original michalek suggestion scares the sh1t outta me. at his best, he has some skills that we could use for sure. but is he enough of an impact dman to do that for us?
of course id take a chance on him for a much lower price. but in exchange for yaks or ebs, id have to say no.
- hugefemale dog77

Vermette is their 1C as of right now. Gagner can fill the 2C role if they need him to.

I don't really want Michalek and definitely not for Yak/Ebs even if we get some other future pieces.

Then yiu do t watch Oiler games. At the same point in their careers Seguin accomplished way more.
- TandA4Flames

while I agree that many oiler fans overvalue our players, that wasn't an oiler fan that posted it.
and on the flip side, I don't think your opinion on the subject should neccesarily be taken any more seriously. you're just the opposite of a 'homer'. 'hater' instead.

seguin through his first 2 seasons had a .57 ppg. while yaks has .51.
ive heard the seguin got less ice time argument in relation to a hall/seguin debate. but he certainly didn't have less ice time than yaks who saw his toi go way down last year. both were sheltered a lot early, but only yaks had next to zero insulation.

yaks had a rookie season where he led rooks in goals and points. seguin hadn't done any such thing.

I tend to agree that because of seguins strong second season in relation to his weak first, which was the opposite of yaks, he probably deserves a few more accolades. but its not egregiously different from any unbiased observer. and as the poster said "he puts yaks value as LESS than seguin as a bruin"
would him pouring on some more oiler hate and driving it home much further, have made you happier?

and don't even get into the Stanley cup nonsense. it was his good fortune to be drafted by an elite team

hes their number 1 center. theyd trade yandle or michalek cause they have depth in that postion and MIGHT be able to overcome that hole.

losing hanzal guts their center depth. gagner is nowhere near a 1c. and vermette, while a great defensive player, is much better suited to a 3c role.

I can see something surrounding ebs/yaks for a defender as the main pieces. we need that, and they need wingers.

also, the original michalek suggestion scares the sh1t outta me. at his best, he has some skills that we could use for sure. but is he enough of an impact dman to do that for us?
of course id take a chance on him for a much lower price. but in exchange for yaks or ebs, id have to say no.
- hugefemale dog77

You guys are freaking out over this Michalek trade. You arent even speculating on what the other pieces may be. Michalek and Gormley would be solid, even if u dont need another D prospect you could easily move him for another piece you do need.

You guys are freaking out over this Michalek trade. You arent even speculating on what the other pieces may be. Michalek and Gormley would be solid, even if u dont need another D prospect you could easily move him for another piece you do need.
- TandA4Flames

While it's a solid return, I just don't see how it benefits us this season. Domi, Gormley, another pick, don't solve our current problem of sucking.

Vermette is their 1C as of right now. Gagner can fill the 2C role if they need him to.

I don't really want Michalek and definitely not for Yak/Ebs even if we get some other future pieces.
- NugentHallberle

hanzal played a full 2 more minutes than vermette against us. he played more than any forward on the yotes.

but that's not really the point anyway.
vermette is not a quality option a 1c.

and even if u don't think hanzal is a great option in that position either (hes certainly better than vermette tho imo) why would they gut a position that is already kinda tenuous?

hanzal
gagner
vermette

is pretty decent


gagner
vermette
?
isnt

You guys are freaking out over this Michalek trade. You arent even speculating on what the other pieces may be. Michalek and Gormley would be solid, even if u dont need another D prospect you could easily move him for another piece you do need.
- TandA4Flames

im not 'freaking out'. it was an expletive to describe my thoughts.

its a rumour on hb...


but while I don't disagree those pieces like gormley add value. its not really what we need.
we have prospect defenders we're waiting on. that's not the problem

and a high pick is totally fools gold in terms of value to us at present.

while I agree that many oiler fans overvalue our players, that wasn't an oiler fan that posted it.
and on the flip side, I don't think your opinion on the subject should neccesarily be taken any more seriously. you're just the opposite of a 'homer'. 'hater' instead.

seguin through his first 2 seasons had a .57 ppg. while yaks has .51.
ive heard the seguin got less ice time argument in relation to a hall/seguin debate. but he certainly didn't have less ice time than yaks who saw his toi go way down last year. both were sheltered a lot early, but only yaks had next to zero insulation.

yaks had a rookie season where he led rooks in goals and points. seguin hadn't done any such thing.

I tend to agree that because of seguins strong second season in relation to his weak first, which was the opposite of yaks, he probably deserves a few more accolades. but its not egregiously different from any unbiased observer. and as the poster said "he puts yaks value as LESS than seguin as a bruin"
would him pouring on some more oiler hate and driving it home much further, have made you happier?

and don't even get into the Stanley cup nonsense. it was his good fortune to be drafted by an elite team
- hugefemale dog77

Give me a break. I know it wasnt an Oiler poster. Hence why i said you dont watch Oiler games. You guys get so defensive with Yaks sublime 1st year. It was a half season and the only reason he had the scoring rookie lead was due to a late season surge where nothing mattered....again.

While it's a solid return, I just don't see how it benefits us this season. Domi, Gormley, another pick, don't solve our current problem of sucking.
- NugentHallberle

Michalek COULD add stability and some freakin leadership to your back end....right now.

Give me a break. I know it wasnt an Oiler poster. Hence why i said you dont watch Oiler games. You guys get so defensive with Yaks sublime 1st year. It was a half season and the only reason he had the scoring rookie lead was due to a late season surge where nothing mattered....again.
- TandA4Flames

of course.
his high rookie point totals mean nothing in terms of value.
but his sophomore season where he didn't have high totals mean everything.

makes perfect sense

im not 'freaking out'. it was an expletive to describe my thoughts.

its a rumour on hb...


but while I don't disagree those pieces like gormley add value. its not really what we need.
we have prospect defenders we're waiting on. that's not the problem

and a high pick is totally fools gold in terms of value to us at present.
- hugefemale dog77

A 1st in this draft is high value. You could use it to get something you do need. Its a deep draft, maybe the deepest ever so its said. Some on sill give you something you want for that pick.

A 1st in this draft is high value. You could use it to get something you do need. Its a deep draft, maybe the deepest ever so its said. Some on sill give you something you want for that pick.
- TandA4Flames

theres no guarantee you'll get something u really want for almost any pick.

if gm had another move lined up (which mact has been known to do) then I see your point. but its risky to substitute value for player x cause theyre also adding value through a pick, instead of waiting and getting all of said value in player Y elsewhere.
I just don think its prudent considering what the oilers need now.

expect Oiler fans in here to rage about not trading any players that are actually worth anything....they are going to get better through "magic"
- BlowMonkey

a 31YO 2nd pairing Dman for their 20 YO 1st overall pick is gonna make EDM better?

of course.
his high rookie point totals mean nothing in terms of value.
but his sophomore season where he didn't have high totals mean everything.

makes perfect sense
- hugefemale dog77

Nice. Way to put words in my mouth. Im just saying youre putting far to much stock in a lock out shortened season. Most of that year he did nothing. Last year, garbage. So far this year? Not much. OVER VALUED.

Hanzal being "6'8" is such a nice metaphor for Tanner blogs. Every ARI player is just a bit better/taller than reality

Nice. Way to put words in my mouth. Im just saying youre putting far to much stock in a lock out shortened season. Most of that year he did nothing. Last year, garbage. So far this year? Not much. OVER VALUED.
- TandA4Flames

and im saying you're putting far too much stock in a sophomore slump, (which is anything but an anomaly) and think its somehow destroyed his 1 overall pedigree (barely over 2 years ago) and rookie leading point totals.
I strongly disagree

and another thing.

im not so enraptured by yaks rookie season. I see serious flaws in him. but im also able to see the upside. and as ive said; unlike reactionary posters, I don't think gm's all of a sudden don't see his value

Nice. Way to put words in my mouth. Im just saying youre putting far to much stock in a lock out shortened season. Most of that year he did nothing. Last year, garbage. So far this year? Not much. OVER VALUED.
- TandA4Flames

at least you're not investing in 4 games where the team as a whole has been terrible.

Gaudreau's done jack all in 5 games. For a guy who could lead the league in scoring, that's not much

and another thing.

im not so enraptured by yaks rookie season. I see serious flaws in him. but im also able to see the upside. and as ive said; unlike reactionary posters, I don't think gm's all of a sudden don't see his value
- hugefemale dog77

you should trade him while his value is at his lowest and if you disagree with his significantly lowered value then you're a homer fan and EDM not making these hockey trades is exactly why they won't improve

and im saying you're putting far too much stock in a sophomore slump and think its somehow destroyed his 1 overall pedigree (barely over 2 years ago) and rookie leading point totals.
I strongly disagree
- hugefemale dog77

Dude, until my last post, in response to yours about last year, i said nothing about a sophomore slump. Im looking at his stock as an entire career to date. Its just my opinion. I wouldn't expect you to agree with it.

you should trade him while his value is at his lowest and if you disagree with his significantly lowered value then you're a homer fan and EDM not making these hockey trades is exactly why they won't improve
- TheNugeIsHuge

in a nutshell, this is basically EXACTLY what the 'outsiders' wisdom seems to be.
well said

Dude, until my last post, in response to yours about last year, i said nothing about a sophomore slump. Im looking at his stock as an entire career to date. Its just my opinion. I wouldn't expect you to agree with it.
- TandA4Flames

and you're entitled to it. but no, I don't completely agree

at least you're not investing in 4 games where the team as a whole has been terrible.

Gaudreau's done jack all in 5 games. For a guy who could lead the league in scoring, that's not much
- TheNugeIsHuge

I dont disagree. For an offensive guy he hasn't done what he should be doing. But its 5 games and hes not a 1st overall. Hes been good defensively for a rookie, especially consideri g his size. And if your next post was regards to trading Johnny, my 1 comment was that if there was a good deal available for Yaks you should do it. If its a low ball offer based on his perceived low value, then obviously dont do it. I guess i see the potential in the proposed deal, not fully knowing what it actually might be.

Nice. Way to put words in my mouth. Im just saying youre putting far to much stock in a lock out shortened season. Most of that year he did nothing. Last year, garbage. So far this year? Not much. OVER VALUED.
- TandA4Flames

How often has a 1st overall pick been traded in his +3 year in the NHL?