That's a weak mind then (the player, not knocking you).

If any player lets losing affect him that much, beyond "Damn, we're trying and still can't catch any success", then they're weak-minded and will only thrive in an all-star sort of atmosphere.
- stashu

I see what your saying. But your talking about someone whos still very young. Still a bit of a kid. Where success is all he's known. Playing bottom line minutes. Not yet producing. And I know the production will come. Not everyone is so strong willed out the gate. Confidence and will power I think is taught onto those who dont just posses such things.

Hence why I wrote for fantasy purposes.



4 regular writers for NHL didn't put him in the top 14 or give him a vote.

Bleacher report didn't have him in the top 50.

Now I could see someone maybe arguing him into the 16-25 range but there are far and away 15 better defensemen at the moment.
- dadeadhead

Right now yes. By years end I'm not sure. He looks the part of a #1 right now IMO

it buys the team some time and it gets him out of a losing environment as well as an environment where a opposition player might take his head off
- Michael Pachla

See above. I lend little credence to the losing atmosphere. This is where the transfer rule is devastating, although all teams have to deal with it. There's a part of me that hopes the CHL ends up unionizing. I would think the transfer agreement would go away as part of it.

Hence why I wrote for fantasy purposes.



4 regular writers for NHL didn't put him in the top 14 or give him a vote.

Bleacher report didn't have him in the top 50.

Now I could see someone maybe arguing him into the 16-25 range but there are far and away 15 better defensemen at the moment.
- dadeadhead

which is fine...I just try to keep in mind how far he fell and how far he has to go...I like what st. james wrote

I see what your saying. But your talking about someone whos still very young. Still a bit of a kid. Where success is all he's known. Playing bottom line minutes. Not yet producing. And I know the production will come. Not everyone is so strong willed out the gate. Confidence and will power I think is taught onto those who dont just posses such things.
- poisondhearts37

I've always held that if a player has "it", starting out too early won't hurt him. It might delay his development a bit, but if his career is "ruined" because of that, he never had what it took in the first place.

it buys the team some time and it gets him out of a losing environment as well as an environment where a opposition player might take his head off
- Michael Pachla

Again its a situation where the transfer agreement prohibits the team paying the bill to do whats right for the player.

He in no way should be playing JR hockey but should also not be playing NHL hockey.


The agreement benefits the CHL and CHL only. No two sh!ts are given to the kids and whats best for them.

That's a bold statement.

I see his career being very much like Peca. The main difference is that back when Peca played, he was a #1 center and in today's NHL, that isn't enough to be a #1. But I think as a 2/3, he'll have a very successful career. I love watching the kid play. He leaves it all out on the ice, every single game.
- HonkFortheGoose

Its just what I see in him when I see Sabre games. Bold for sure.

IMO Reinhart will be more like Bergeron. He's very crafty defensively for an 18 year old

Right now yes. By years end I'm not sure. He looks the part of a #1 right now IMO
- sbroads24

His play hasn't been great nor has it been bad.

His one wow play every few games isn't enough for me to say clear cut by years end we'll be talking him up to some of the best.

And I'll repeat it again as I know some will glance over it he hasn't been bad or good thus far.

I see what your saying. But your talking about someone whos still very young. Still a bit of a kid. Where success is all he's known. Playing bottom line minutes. Not yet producing. And I know the production will come. Not everyone is so strong willed out the gate. Confidence and will power I think is taught onto those who dont just posses such things.
- poisondhearts37

I see your argument, and will bend enough to accept it. The problem comes from them being coddled so much coming up. Praised for their outstanding skill, asses kissed everywhere they went from 10-16, then the upper tier dominating Juniors and the like.

I still don't like the argument overall, otherwise no teams would elevate themselves over the losers they were in the past.

prior to 11/12, your Kings missed the playoffs for 6 straight seasons, only 1 of those seasons did they top 40 wins. That's a "losing culture", yet it turned around because the team and management improved it, not because it got a mass influx of winners that would eradicate that loser mentality.

I've always held that if a player has "it", starting out too early won't hurt him. It might delay his development a bit, but if his career is "ruined" because of that, he never had what it took in the first place.
- buffalofan19

does reinhart have the "it" factor?

Hence why I wrote for fantasy purposes.



4 regular writers for NHL didn't put him in the top 14 or give him a vote.

Bleacher report didn't have him in the top 50.

Now I could see someone maybe arguing him into the 16-25 range but there are far and away 15 better defensemen at the moment.
- dadeadhead

Very easily 15 better defensemen. I dont know how anyone can argue hes in the top 15... and I like Myers.

I've been saying it for (holy poop its already Myers 6th season!?) 3-4 seasons now.. Myers will start paying dividends when he turns 26-27. When hes older or at least the same age as the majority of his peers in the league. When the team is significantly better than it has been over the past 3-4 years. There would be a much different perception of Myers over the past 6 years if he had played on Chicago, LA or Boston -- hed be a franchise D.

See above. I lend little credence to the losing atmosphere. This is where the transfer rule is devastating, although all teams have to deal with it. There's a part of me that hopes the CHL ends up unionizing. I would think the transfer agreement would go away as part of it.
- buffalofan19

People are so quick to point out EDM as the example. If that was truly the case EDM had one of the best cultures in sports. What changed the from the glory years to now, the culture or the talent level?

His play hasn't been great nor has it been bad.

His one wow play every few games isn't enough for me to say clear cut by years end we'll be talking him up to some of the best.

And I'll repeat it again as I know some will glance over it he hasn't been bad or good thus far.
- dadeadhead

He has been good though. I'm not sure how he hasn't been unless you are talking about his lack of points.

He's on the ice when we score, and off for the most part when the opposition scores. While playing 26+ minutes a night. This is what top pairing defensemen do

People are so quick to point out EDM as the example. If that was truly the case EDM had one of the best cultures in sports. What changed the from the glory years to now, the culture or the talent level?
- ImThatGuy

Their problem isn't talent.

They lack the right talent.

This is all a fair point, but I fail to see how he gets stronger by spending a 4th year in junior. You're right, the NHL is a man's game, but if that's all that he's lacking, sending him to play amongst boys again does very little for him. I would think that the Sabres should take their lumps with him, monitor his workout, health, etc. Will he be in over his head a bit? Probably, but in a year where the expectations are this low, I really don't see it as a detriment. If this were a contending team, it would be a much different story.
- buffalofan19

Don't commit the Edmonton sin with your prospects; case in point: RNH.

More Myers trade talk again

does reinhart have the "it" factor?
- Michael Pachla

I don't know. However, if he does, staying here for the remainder of the season won't ruin his career.

I see your argument, and will bend enough to accept it. The problem comes from them being coddled so much coming up. Praised for their outstanding skill, asses kissed everywhere they went from 10-16, then the upper tier dominating Juniors and the like.

I still don't like the argument overall, otherwise no teams would elevate themselves over the losers they were in the past.

prior to 11/12, your Kings missed the playoffs for 6 straight seasons, only 1 of those seasons did they top 40 wins. That's a "losing culture", yet it turned around because the team and management improved it, not because it got a mass influx of winners that would eradicate that loser mentality.
- stashu

Kings started to target veteran players with playoff experience once they drafted Kopi and Brown. Quite a few of them didnt work. But those that did stuck around. But guys like Greene and Stoll were fresh from a solid playoff run with EDM. Then getting Scuderi and Sean Odonnell and Handzus. Help alot of the youngsters learn the 200ft game. Management really did theyre best to turn it around from being a losing culture. It was no doubt a losing culture.

He has been good though. I'm not sure how he hasn't been unless you are talking about his lack of points.

He's on the ice when we score, and off for the most part when the opposition scores. While playing 26+ minutes a night. This is what top pairing defensemen do
- sbroads24

Nothing about what he is doing at the moment wow's me.


Much like Hoff's play here.

Yeah they play the minutes but that was about it.

Again at the moment. Things can and hopefully will change.

Very easily 15 better defensemen. I dont know how anyone can argue hes in the top 15... and I like Myers.

I've been saying it for (holy poop its already Myers 6th season!?) 3-4 seasons now.. Myers will start paying dividends when he turns 26-27. When hes older or at least the same age as the majority of his peers in the league. When the team is significantly better than it has been over the past 3-4 years. There would be a much different perception of Myers over the past 6 years if he had played on Chicago, LA or Boston -- hed be a franchise D.
- theblueandgold

Exactly.

I don't know. However, if he does, staying here for the remainder of the season won't ruin his career.
- buffalofan19

if he does not, or if there was any question, he should have been sent back to junior after camp...look to Traverse city and preseason...the "it" factor should have produced more than one goal in seven total games

Very easily 15 better defensemen. I dont know how anyone can argue hes in the top 15... and I like Myers.

I've been saying it for (holy poop its already Myers 6th season!?) 3-4 seasons now.. Myers will start paying dividends when he turns 26-27. When hes older or at least the same age as the majority of his peers in the league. When the team is significantly better than it has been over the past 3-4 years. There would be a much different perception of Myers over the past 6 years if he had played on Chicago, LA or Boston -- hed be a franchise D.
- theblueandgold

Hell with St Louis and Chicago alone there's 4 arguably 6.

if he does not, or if there was any question, he should have been sent back to junior after camp...look to Traverse city and preseason...the "it" factor should have produced more than one goal in seven total games
- Michael Pachla

Yup, he just isn't ready. Sucks too cause it would be fun to watch a really good 18 year old develop.

People are so quick to point out EDM as the example. If that was truly the case EDM had one of the best cultures in sports. What changed the from the glory years to now, the culture or the talent level?
- ImThatGuy

Once you start losing players to free agency and or retirement. Or traded for business reasons while not drafting the right talent. Or just getting busts in the draft. Poor management. EDM had def took a skid downward. Why did they trade Greene and Stoll. Two guys they could desperately use today.