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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 16 @ 5:04 PM ET
Has BSchenn ever played RW here?
- Feanor


Don't think so, but he'd be a lot better there than @ LW, IMO.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 16 @ 5:06 PM ET
Just staggered in from work.


Summary please.

- Doc_Sarcasm

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 16 @ 5:16 PM ET
Off to the studio boys!
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Oct 16 @ 5:17 PM ET
Off to the studio boys!
- BiggE



Good luck. Have fun. Make music.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 16 @ 5:19 PM ET
What I learned from the previous thread:

1) Jasaq is a horrible parent

2) G_I_G shouldnt have kids

- KINGKENZO


Accurate
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 16 @ 5:21 PM ET
Off to the studio boys!
- BiggE

SOUNDCLOUUUDDDD

Kill it my man!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 5:24 PM ET
Accurate
- ob18


3. If you want a guy to get buried in the obscurity of the Turkish Junior League, get OB18 to buy his sweater

Hey you realize your screen name is RJ Umberger now
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 16 @ 5:26 PM ET
Accurate
- ob18

Isn't it obvious? If my kids act up I'll just give them drugs.

It'll be like Munchausen's Syndrome except I won't want the attention.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 5:28 PM ET
Isn't it obvious? If my kids act up I'll just them drugs.

It'll be like Munchausen's Syndrome except I won't want the attention.


- Giroux_Is_God


DealerDad
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 16 @ 5:33 PM ET
DealerDad
- Jsaquella

flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 16 @ 5:34 PM ET
Isn't it obvious? If my kids act up I'll just give them drugs.

It'll be like Munchausen's Syndrome except I won't want the attention.


- Giroux_Is_God


Let me teach you how to kill off your spouse with a few air filled syringes. Little to no evidence.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 16 @ 5:35 PM ET
It's a system that puts a lot of pressure on the C's to cover a lot of ice and to be defensively accomplished -- on a team that has a shortage of two-way, rangey centers.

I have no problem at all if this is the system they plan on running with when Hexy's finished molding the roster to look more like the Kings/Bruins, when Coots has Laughton (or whoever else) to play Kelly to his Bergeron, Stoll to his Richards.

But in the meantime, while the roster is full of imperfect fits and kids that need to develop, I'd hope he could be a little more accommodating and flexible... if not, he's really no better than Lavi.

- Tomahawk


Every hockey system and forecheck scheme puts pressure on centers defensively. Whether that is coming deep inside the defensive zone, or in a center lock forecheck such as Berube plays. Lecavalier, who you mentioned has looked much stronger on his skates, and has made multiple plays where he been in good defensive position, executing the center lock.
This roster is perfectly capable of playing the style and system that Berube wants to play. And is far more conservative, and less risky then Laviolette's 3-2 press forecheck, that consistently had all 3 forwards deep in an agressive forecheck, with no breakout protection. In conjunction with both defenseman aggressively pinching. In my opinion the two situations aren't remotely the same.

I'd like to hear specifically how you think Berube should teak his system. And not in generalities, but specifically. In terms of his forecheck, neutral zone forecheck, regroups, defensive zone coverage, etc.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 16 @ 5:40 PM ET
Every hockey system and forecheck scheme puts pressure on centers defensively. Whether that is coming deep inside the defensive zone, or in a center lock forecheck such as Berube plays. Lecavalier, who you mentioned has looked much stronger on his skates, and has made multiple plays where he been in good defensive position, executing the center lock.
This roster is perfectly capable of playing the style and system that Berube wants to play. And is far more conservative, and less risky then Laviolette's 3-2 press forecheck, that consistently had all 3 forwards deep in an agressive forecheck, with no breakout protection. In conjunction with both defenseman aggressively pinching. In my opinion the two situations aren't remotely the same.

I'd like to hear specifically how you think Berube should teak his system. And not in generalities, but specifically. In terms of his forecheck, neutral zone forecheck, regroups, defensive zone coverage, etc.

- MJL


(frank) I miss that man and his approach. Some fun years.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 16 @ 5:41 PM ET
(frank) I miss that man and his approach. Some fun years.
- flyer_nutter


Yea, I loved all those odd man rushes against, and free skates through the neutral zone straight to the Flyers net. Good times!
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Oct 16 @ 5:43 PM ET
Yea, I loved all those odd man rushes against, and free skates through the neutral zone straight to the Flyers net. Good times!
- MJL

pinballllllll hockey for days. love it.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 16 @ 5:46 PM ET
Yea, I loved all those odd man rushes against, and free skates through the neutral zone straight to the Flyers net. Good times!
- MJL


Haha I choose to remember the positives but that's just me.

I kid I kid. Even if I don't agree with it I am happy they have an organizational view with how they should play. Was kind of weird having kids in the AHL learn D first then the opposite once they came to Philly.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 5:49 PM ET
(frank) I miss that man and his approach. Some fun years.
- flyer_nutter


Yeah, that season they went 1-10-1 vs the Rangers and Devils was so (frank)ing awesome. Not to mention his handling of the goalies in 2011, leading to Mr Universe in net
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 16 @ 5:52 PM ET
Does he actually prefer playing D to being a forward? I have no idea.
- Feanor

he was quoted to say he wants to be on the ice as much as possible, and playing D gives him more ice time
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 16 @ 5:55 PM ET
Yeah, that season they went 1-10-1 vs the Rangers and Devils was so (frank)ing awesome. Not to mention his handling of the goalies in 2011, leading to Mr Universe in net
- Jsaquella


Here I was thinking hockeybuzz was a positive place. Things change.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 16 @ 5:58 PM ET
Haha I choose to remember the positives but that's just me.

I kid I kid. Even if I don't agree with it I am happy they have an organizational view with how they should play. Was kind of weird having kids in the AHL learn D first then the opposite once they came to Philly.

- flyer_nutter


Don't get me wrong there are parts of Laviolette that I loved. Loved his fire, and his heart. Loved some of his locker room speeches. Loved when he told Steve Ott to go F himself when Ott was trying to block the way back to the room. But his system, needs exceptional puck moving defenseman to work. And when he didn't have that, he tried to dial up the forecheck even more aggressively, to try and compensate. To basically play defense in the offensive zone. And he refused to back off of that.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Oct 16 @ 5:59 PM ET
Should Hexy decide the team needs to make a move I'm starting to see Laughton more and more as an asset.

I know everyone is excited for the kid but you can't ignore the track record the Flyers scouting dept has done the last few years with undrafted players. Read, Raffl, Bellemare.

If the team has a need in the top 6 forward group or the top 4 D men... and it's a fair deal involving Laughton, I think I'm okay with it.

That said, I don't expect one of you to agree with me.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 16 @ 6:01 PM ET
Off to the studio boys!
- BiggE


For hookers and blow?

/i keed, i keed
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 16 @ 6:02 PM ET
Should Hexy decide the team needs to make a move I'm starting to see Laughton more and more as an asset.

I know everyone is excited for the kid but you can't ignore the track record the Flyers scouting dept has done the last few years with undrafted players. Read, Raffl, Bellemare.

If the team has a need in the top 6 forward group or the top 4 D men... and it's a fair deal involving Laughton, I think I'm okay with it.

That said, I don't expect one of you to agree with me.

- hereticpride


I'd move Laughton for a good defenseman, age depending.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 16 @ 6:04 PM ET
Should Hexy decide the team needs to make a move I'm starting to see Laughton more and more as an asset.

I know everyone is excited for the kid but you can't ignore the track record the Flyers scouting dept has done the last few years with undrafted players. Read, Raffl, Bellemare.

If the team has a need in the top 6 forward group or the top 4 D men... and it's a fair deal involving Laughton, I think I'm okay with it.

That said, I don't expect one of you to agree with me.

- hereticpride


I think the end game for Hextall is to have G, Couturier, and Laughton down the middle.

I think this business with Lecavalier is gonna work itself out. Eventually.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Oct 16 @ 6:05 PM ET
I think the end game for Hextall is to have G, Couturier, and Laughton down the middle.

I think this business with Lecavalier is gonna work itself out. Eventually.

- johndewar


Does Couturier have the offensive creativity and talent level to be a 2nd line center? I have my doubts personally.
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