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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 16 @ 12:52 PM ET
Keenan 2.0 then?
- JoeRussomanno


Supposedly Keenan's reinvented himself over in Russia.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 16 @ 12:52 PM ET
Keenan 2.0 then?
- JoeRussomanno


Well, if they could find Keenan type minus the tantrums and mind games, sure!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 16 @ 12:52 PM ET
Center lock, layers, blah blah blah incoming.
- Tomahawk

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 16 @ 12:53 PM ET
Supposedly Keenan's reinvented himself over in Russia.
- Tomahawk


He's turned into Putin?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 16 @ 12:53 PM ET
The Flyers are a very good dump team, but a poor chase team.
- jmatchett383


I was making this complaint the other day. They might not be skilled enough to have more than a couple of guys carry the puck more consistently into the zone, but they really aren't even fast enough to be a dump and chase team.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 16 @ 12:54 PM ET
He's turned into Putin?
- BiggE


Suddenly everything makes sense.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 16 @ 12:55 PM ET
Supposedly Keenan's reinvented himself over in Russia.
- Tomahawk


He is now Mecha Keenan.

mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 12:56 PM ET
Okay, so everyone, in all seriousness:

This team is at best a playoff bubble team who may surprise a team in round one. That's about the cap, whether Akeson becomes a shutdown player, B Schenn becomes the next Mikael Renberg, and Luke Schenn becomes the next Dan McGillis or not.

That said, would you trade young assets for a "name" player like Buff, Yakupov, etc. or stay the course, grit your teeth through the next year or two, and let the team build from within?

- jmatchett383

I'm not trading any of our early round picks from the last 4 years (including Couturier). I'll trade anyone on the roster not named Giroux, Vorachek and Simmonds. I'll deal with the consequences and high draft picks for a few yrs.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 16 @ 12:57 PM ET
I was making this complaint the other day. They might not be skilled enough to have more than a couple of guys carry the puck more consistently into the zone, but they really aren't even fast enough to be a dump and chase team.
- johndewar


Yeah, if you are gonna succeed with the dump and chase you kind of want to be both big and fast up front...
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 16 @ 12:57 PM ET
He is now Mecha Keenan.


- jmatchett383


Mecha Keenan doesn't just bench players and take away ice time.

Mecha Keenan removes a player's appendage until there is compliance.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 16 @ 12:58 PM ET
I'm not trading any of our early round picks from the last 4 years (including Couturier). I'll trade anyone on the roster not named Giroux, Vorachek and Simmonds. I'll deal with the consequences and high draft picks for a few yrs.
- mayorofangrytown


Agreed, though I would add Mason to the Do Not Trade list.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 16 @ 12:58 PM ET
Mecha Keenan doesn't just bench players and take away ice time.

Mecha Keenan removes a player's appendage until there is compliance.

- johndewar


I'm just waiting for Mecha Keenan vs Prongerzilla, gonna be epic!
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Oct 16 @ 1:03 PM ET
Get back to your lawyering.
- jmatchett383

stawp. i come here to procrastinate as it is.

wills and estates on the docket right now.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Oct 16 @ 1:05 PM ET
I would be more open to trading for a young name player like Yakupov than a veteran name player like Byfuglien. If you trade a 22 year old Schenn for a 20 year old Yakupov, you've made a lateral move, in terms of age.

The Flyers are at the point where the future has to trump the present in any trade.


That said, if it's not a young player like Rinaldo, who gets chance after chance because he's gritty and works hard, is Berube going to utilize him in a role that lends to his strengths?

That's my whole issue with guys like Akeson or Gustafsson. Bigger, grittier guys of all ages get more rope from Berube. Is it a bias due to the kind of player Berube was?

- Jsaquella


so frustrating. yeah. i was a plug, so i have a soft spot for them. oh, you have some skill. but you messed up just once? off with your head!
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 1:08 PM ET
Agreed, though I would add Mason to the Do Not Trade list.
- BiggE

I believe in Starlord.


(Stolarz)
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 16 @ 1:08 PM ET
I believe in Starlord.


(Stolarz)

- mayorofangrytown


Go Steelarz!
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 16 @ 1:09 PM ET
I believe in Starlord.


(Stolarz)

- mayorofangrytown



Stolzar The Magnificent!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 16 @ 1:10 PM ET
So, Johnny Gaudreau has now gone 5 games without a point this season.

Confirmed bust?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 16 @ 1:11 PM ET
So, Johnny Gaudreau has now gone 5 games without a point this season.

Confirmed bust?

- jmatchett383

They need a rink manager in Mt. Laurel

I'm pulling for the kid though.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Oct 16 @ 1:12 PM ET
So, Johnny Gaudreau has now gone 5 games without a point this season.

Confirmed bust?

- jmatchett383


that was confirmed by game 3.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 16 @ 1:13 PM ET
They need a rink manager in Mt. Laurel

I'm pulling for the kid though.

- mayorofangrytown


Are you pulling for fellow Gloucester County native Anthony DeAngelo?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 16 @ 1:13 PM ET

- Tomahawk




Well played sir.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 16 @ 1:14 PM ET
that was confirmed by game 3.
- stayinthefnnet


I know the game is now built for the more skill guys and all, but he's built like me. Granted, he is probably in better shape, but I can't imagine my body withstanding even a nudge from some NHL players.
kej83
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: oc, NJ
Joined: 10.19.2010

Oct 16 @ 1:14 PM ET
What you talking about Willis?

Holmgren left Hextall the keys to a Ferrari. All Hexy has to do is put on his sunglasses, put the keys in the ignition and open that sumfemale dog up!

- PLindbergh31


its more comparable to "The Homer"
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Oct 16 @ 1:17 PM ET
I know the game is now built for the more skill guys and all, but he's built like me. Granted, he is probably in better shape, but I can't imagine my body withstanding even a nudge from some NHL players.
- jmatchett383


i dont know. its hard for me to judge anymore. you look at some guys, and i dont see a mathematical equation on who gets hurt and who withstands. sure, common sense will likely tell you a guy like chara can take a hit better than a more impish player, but still.

some big guys are chronically broken down, and then you have someone like tyler kennedy or ronaldo who are tiny and they withstand a beating.

i know im 6 0, 190. there are a lot of guys in the league around that size, and i dont know how they do it.
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