There was a time when these were easy for me. I haven't taken a math class in a while though.
- PhillySportsGuy

Well, if you know the distance and the relative speeds, it's pretty easy.

Such a loser. Eats in the cafeteria by himself
- PhillySportsGuy

Dat laugh....

Karlsson's been a full-time NHLer for five seasons, been a minus-player in three of them, including a -30

Plus-minus is only a snapshot; we all know that. But he's not a great one-on-one defender and only an average team defender
- AllInForFlyers

Yes. I agree.

Currently, Letang, Subban, Suter, Weber, and even Karlsson are adequate or better in their own zone
- jmatchett383

EK's defense is always overlooked, and I'm not sure why. I don't have a problem with pinching. I don't have a problem with headmanning the puck. I have a problem with doing it irresponsibly.
- jmatchett383

I could and would stomach MDZ's defensive play if he could put up 70+ points a year.

Well, if you know the distance and the relative speeds, it's pretty easy.
- jmatchett383

I know. I just realized that. BigE doesn't like math. He just likes counting benjamins

Top 2 conversation topics on Sens talk-radio/message boards: Jason Spezza is a loser, Erik Karlsson plays terrible D. It's now down to one.
- Tomahawk

And according to this board, Carter was overrated, Carle couldn't play defense, Stevens was the worst coach ever, Couturier was/is a bust...

And according to this board, Carter was overrated, Carle couldn't play defense, Stevens was the worst coach ever, Couturier was/is a bust...
- jmatchett383

... and MDZ sux.

I could and would stomach MDZ's defensive play if he could put up 70+ points a year.
- NickTheKid87

That's the thing. I don't care about possession stats. He needs to outscore his deficiencies. I know it's early, but I've seen little evidence that he'll do that. I hope I'm wrong.

... and MDZ sux.
- Tomahawk

So far, that's only been championed since we signed him. I'm talking about things that were discussed for years.

I could and would stomach MDZ's defensive play if he could put up 70+ points a year.
- NickTheKid87

I don't know that this franchise/coaching staff/fanbase can handle Erik Karlsson's last season, which was 20 goals, 54 assists and a -16

I really don't know that we could -- there'd always be someone wondering about the -16

I don't know that this franchise/coaching staff/fanbase can handle Erik Karlsson's last season, which was 20 goals, 54 assists and a -16

I really don't know that we could
- AllInForFlyers

That obviously had nothing to do with the fact that Ottawa was abysmal last year and everything to do with EK.

So far, that's only been championed since we signed him. I'm talking about things that were discussed for years.
- jmatchett383

It feels like we've discussed Amac for years

Probably leight somewhere but Gagne signs

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...sign-gagne-one-year-600k/

MDZ should play with Coburn. He needs a partner who can skate back quickly to cover for him, and Coburn needs a guy who can handles most of the puck moving.
- Feanor

i hate our pairs

I don't know that this franchise/coaching staff/fanbase can handle Erik Karlsson's last season, which was 20 goals, 54 assists and a -16

I really don't know that we could
- AllInForFlyers

Judging by how harshly Claude Giroux's been judged for his defensive lapses, I would say no.

Yup
And also Amac/Luke was very solid last year.

This would make me happy.
- Marc D

yup

Probably leight somewhere but Gagne signs

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...sign-gagne-one-year-600k/
- Trainfellow

$600K...damn.

That obviously had nothing to do with the fact that Ottawa was abysmal last year and everything to do with EK.
- jmatchett383

But the Flyers are looking fairly abysmal right now, yet MDZ's the problem?

I know. I just realized that. BigE doesn't like math. He just likes counting benjamins
- PhillySportsGuy

But the Flyers are looking fairly abysmal right now, yet MDZ's the problem?
- AllInForFlyers

He's on his third team in 8 months. He's made horrible decisions away from the puck (generally) from the moment he arrived.

I don't think he's part of the solution.

But if you wanna generalize a statement I made and flip it around, I guess Wayne Simmonds is the problem.

$600K...damn.
- jmatchett383

I know, the Bruins could have got Bellemare for the same amount.

He's on his third team in 8 months. He's made horrible decisions away from the puck (generally) from the moment he arrived.

I don't think he's part of the solution.

But if you wanna generalize a statement I made and flip it around, I guess Wayne Simmonds is the problem.
- jmatchett383

No, you generalized the statement I made by saying that it was Karlsson's fault that Ottawa was abysmal. I used the same paradigm you created.

Ottawa has accepted the fact that Karlsson's offense outweighs his defense. It's fair to question whether the Flyers and this fanbase would accept a defensemen under that premise

That's the thing. I don't care about possession stats. He needs to outscore his deficiencies. I know it's early, but I've seen little evidence that he'll do that. I hope I'm wrong.
- jmatchett383

If you score as much as Karlsson, your possession stats will be good. You have to be a good possession player to score a lot because you need the puck to score.

I don't know that this franchise/coaching staff/fanbase can handle Erik Karlsson's last season, which was 20 goals, 54 assists and a -16

I really don't know that we could -- there'd always be someone wondering about the -16
- AllInForFlyers

The team around Karlsson wasn't all that great and the goal tending wasn't anything to write home about. He's not on the same level as Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo and Weber in terms of two way play but Karlsson is in a class of his own offensively. He needs more sheltering than the others in his own end.

Sounds like Read asked to go back to RW because he sees the ice better there and Berube agreed, so Umberger well be on the left.

Which I guess means the Read-Couturier-Simmonds line they tried all preseason is done for good.