Mike Green wasn't a minus player, in fact he was out shattering records once. Doesn't mean he wasn't horrendous defensively. If he can develop into a Keith Yandle guy, excellent PP player, average defensively, has problems with sustained pressure and needs a defensive partner to help him, I would be cool with that. Hasn't shown he can do that though sustainably.
- AdamFrench

Well the difference with Mike Green is that he was scoring 30 goals and 70 points at one time but he got hurt a bunch of times and isn't scoring anymore so the reward doesn't match the risk. If he was still scoring like a machine, he'd be right there with Karlsson and Subban, both of which are high risk, high reward type players.

Gardiner probably isn't going to score at that clip but his mistakes aren't happening every shift either nor should he be playing 1st pairing minutes either. He can skate and pass which is a lot more than most guys playing defense on the team can say. Better than Robidas.

But what would honesthockey say?

But what would honesthockey say?
- SofaKingBored

Haven't seen your ugly face in awhile.

Gardiner a scratch again vs. Colorado .

Gardiner a scratch again vs. Colorado .
- MCharisma91

That's fine.. But sooner or later they'll regret keeping him out of the lineup.

I would be fine with Gardiner sucking balls in his own end and being weaker than a bottle of Cracked Canoe if he actually was very good offensively.
- AdamFrench

For as much as people make him out to be offensively gift led you d think he put up really big numbers.

The next $9 million man?
- SofaKingBored

Ryan callahan made him look like the 9 dollar man.

For as much as people make him out to be offensively gift led you d think he put up really big numbers.
- Yeti1181

How many guys in the league can out up 10 goals, 30 plus points playing d on the 2nd unit pp?

How many guys in the league can out up 10 goals, 30 plus points playing d on the 2nd unit pp?
- GardinerExpress

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...gPowerPlayTOIPerGame&pg=3

and maybe more damning

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...t=powerPlayTimeOnIce&pg=2

Well just a quick scan of that list...apparently quite a few.

Habs fans seem to be freaking out
- Yeti1181

No.

They finally lost, which is a very good thing.

I don't think they deserved a single win so far this season, that'll bring them back to earth.

I don't think they deserved a single win so far this season, that'll bring them back to earth.
- Pecafan Fan

Sounds like the Leafs last year. Had a good start but didn't play well in any of the games

Sounds like the Leafs last year. Had a good start but didn't play well in any of the games
- Popcorn Kid

yup.

Glad they got their wake up call last night.

yup.

Glad they got their wake up call last night.
- Pecafan Fan

I wish the Leafs wake up call was after 3 wins..

Morning Fellas..

hate playng a hungry Avalanche team tonight who will come in flying after that last second win yesterday

hate playng a hungry Avalanche team tonight who will come in flying after that last second win yesterday
- Popcorn Kid

First win yesterday..

First win yesterday..
- bixll

AND their first goal too

AND their first goal too
- Pecafan Fan

It is not how you start, it is how you finish..


Ask the Leafs..

AND their first goal too
- Pecafan Fan

ROR and Landeskog hurting my (frank)ing pool. Got both mid-latish round, they were supposed to be steals

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...er-game-in-the-press-box/

Hmmm maybe I am not so far off, eh guys?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/gardiner-could-see-another-game-in-the-press-box/

Hmmm maybe I am not so far off, eh guys?
- jazzca1974

Far off from what?? You and reality are in different universes.

There is some stuff getting deleted..

ROR and Landeskog hurting my (frank)ing pool. Got both mid-latish round, they were supposed to be steals
- AdamFrench

They will be.

They will be.
- BetterCallSaul

I know. But (frank)ing DT almost caught me this week because of it and him having Stamkos

Thanks for trollin by,,,
- bixll

How is having an opinion trolling? Judging from the piece on sportsnet, the questions that I am raising do have some traction and relevance.

How is having an opinion trolling? Judging from the piece on sportsnet, the questions that I am raising do have some traction and relevance.
- jazzca1974

Ya, sure.. Game 3.. nice try.