The Leafs need to trade Gardiner for his own good. Where does he fit? It appears that he isnt going to get the chance to develop properly in Toronto, so why hang onto him? Its not like his stock is going to increase as he sits in the pressbox, and before his confidence has been completely dismantled, trade him for another asset that better suits the direction of the team.
- jazzca1974

You're overreacting, its been 3 games but I do agree that he hasn't exactly been a perfect fit in his time here. The problem is that with Rielly here(who is going to have a way better career than Gardiner), it's hard for a bad defensive team like Toronto to constantly play 2 d men in the lineup who aren't good in their own end. (Gardiner and Rielly).

Yes I know, but, how long has he been trying to crack the lineup? With the emergence of Percy, where does he fit? How do you expect to develop a kid who is being shuffled in and out of the lineup.
- jazzca1974

some people develope slower than others.... he sat 1 facking game... holy fack

Yes I know, but, how long has he been trying to crack the lineup? With the emergence of Percy, where does he fit? How do you expect to develop a kid who is being shuffled in and out of the lineup.
- jazzca1974

I think he tried cracking the lineup 2 season ago. And, 2 seasons ago he cracked the lineup.

Yes I know, but, how long has he been trying to crack the lineup? With the emergence of Percy, where does he fit? How do you expect to develop a kid who is being shuffled in and out of the lineup.
- jazzca1974

Except that he's not being shuffled in and out of the lineup.

Yes I know, but, how long has he been trying to crack the lineup? With the emergence of Percy, where does he fit? How do you expect to develop a kid who is being shuffled in and out of the lineup.
- jazzca1974

In and out of the lineup?? He was scratched ONE game. he was out all of 2 games last year (both from concussion).

How is he in and out of the lineup?

Yes I know, but, how long has he been trying to crack the lineup? With the emergence of Percy, where does he fit? How do you expect to develop a kid who is being shuffled in and out of the lineup.
- jazzca1974

Well with robidas / polak being long term solutions it obviously makes sense to trade young, developing top 4 d-men.

Yes I know, but, how long has he been trying to crack the lineup? With the emergence of Percy, where does he fit? How do you expect to develop a kid who is being shuffled in and out of the lineup.
- jazzca1974

pardon?

- Dozzer

He sat out one game...three games into the season. Also he has been a constant in trade discussions/rumors, at which point is he supposed to feel like a wanted player on the roster? Why sit him? Why not sit Percy?

You're overreacting, its been 3 games but I do agree that he hasn't exactly been a perfect fit in his time here. The problem is that with Rielly here(who is going to have a way better career than Gardiner), it's hard for a bad defensive team like Toronto to constantly play 2 d men in the lineup who aren't good in their own end. (Gardiner and Rielly).
- dionschenn

Night and day with this season's Rielly and last, isn't it? I dig it. It's like this year he's got no voice in his head telling him to "don't lose the puck, don't lose the puck, don't lose the puck" when he's taking off.

I knew this would make for a good afternoon...

i think this is a HH alt, feel free to ban him.
- Jurco_28

I'm not a massive fan of gards, but I think the skill is there, decision making needs work. That can be taught.

6 of u responded to that 1 post. man

Well with robidas / polak being long term solutions it obviously makes sense to trade young, developing top 4 d-men.
- Dozzer

He sat out one game...three games into the season. Also he has been a constant in trade discussions/rumors, at which point is he supposed to feel like a wanted player on the roster? Why sit him? Why not sit Percy?
- jazzca1974

I think the part where the Leafs committed to pay him millions of dollars for the next five years might help him feel wanted.

Leaf fans seem to have a problem understanding that Gardiner and Rielly are 2 DEFENCEman who are not very good at defence. Talented offensively? Certainly. Not good in their own end, especially Gardiner.

Any of you guys know a place online that I can get a dirt cheap, plain white with navy pinstripes baseball jersey? I'm having a hard time on ebay and nothing on kijijii. Or if anybody has a mens L/xl for sale on here?

Well with robidas / polak being long term solutions it obviously makes sense to trade young, developing top 4 d-men.
- Dozzer

Good point, why not sit out one of those guys instead or do they need the ice timebfor their development?

Any of you guys know a place online that I can get a dirt cheap, plain white with navy pinstripes baseball jersey? I'm having a hard time on ebay and nothing on kijijii. Or if anybody has a mens L/xl for sale on here?
- weirdoh

baseball? boring! u trying out for the Jays or something. catcher i bet

He sat out one game...three games into the season. Also he has been a constant in trade discussions/rumors, at which point is he supposed to feel like a wanted player on the roster? Why sit him? Why not sit Percy?
- jazzca1974

Read my other posts, multiple reasons to sit a guy, not all of them negative.

Hell, he may of had a minor tweak injury they weren't publicizing. Gaining perspective, or maybe just to show him he doesn't have a free spot just because of a contract.

Doesn't mean the leafs should say oh (frank) it I give up on this kid

He sat out one game...three games into the season. Also he has been a constant in trade discussions/rumors, at which point is he supposed to feel like a wanted player on the roster? Why sit him? Why not sit Percy?
- jazzca1974

The Leafs best Dman through 3 games?? Sure why not!!

Good point, why not sit out one of those guys instead or do they need the ice timebfor their development?
- jazzca1974

One game? Lol

Man, you're over reacting

Leaf fans seem to have a problem understanding that Gardiner and Rielly are 2 DEFENCEman who are not very good at defence. Talented offensively? Certainly. Not good in their own end, especially Gardiner.
- dionschenn

it's not like there 20 and 24 years old...fack your stupid

baseball? boring! u trying out for the Jays or something. catcher i bet
- Jurco_28

I'd make you question your own sexuality with the speed and skill I'd perform on your bat.

The Leafs best Dman through 3 games?? Sure why not!!
- burn

it's not like there 20 and 24 years old...fack your stupid
- BoTtLePoLiCe

uhhh. nvm