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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Oct 10 @ 7:45 AM ET
I think one or both of Gostisbiere and Alt need to be called up. A big thing I keep seeing is breakout passes hitting skates or getting picked off and we get hemmed in the zone. I understand the pairs won't be great but we need to be able to transition the puck forward.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:45 AM ET
Biggest area of concern now is the flyers are now having to use 6 starting defenseman who on most teams would ALL be 4-8 on the depth charts and ow are on the top 4 pairings...an with Coburn likely out a couple months, it's likely going to get ugly before better imho.

We could be in the Mcdavid/Eichel talks by Christmas

- Buzzo


I'd personally say that the biggest area of concern isn't the defenseman, but it's the top line. They have had two poor games in a row. They have been bad both offensively, and defensively.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Oct 10 @ 7:47 AM ET
I'd personally say that the biggest area of concern isn't the defenseman, but it's the top line. They have had two poor games in a row. They have been bad both offensively, and defensively.
- MJL

You're not allowed to criticize Giroux... Didn't you get the memo?
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:50 AM ET
Hate scapegoating and been a Luke schenn guy but if there's any way hextall can move him now's the time.... We have seen zero improvement from him and I'm doubting he ever becomes more than a 4th shutdown guy
- JoeRussomanno


ya know, I don't think now's the time at all... He just had a -5 game.. we'd be selling low from a position of desperation. If we do move him, I'd say in the offseason.. Or keep him and slot him as a 5/6 guy where he prob belongs. Still can't believe we gave up JVR for a 5/6 but oh well.

On a side note, does anyone notice that when passing or shooting the puck, there always seems to be a hesitation from Schenn? He always kind of has to corrall the puck on his stick a bit (even when the puck is flat) before passing or shooting. It's only a split second thing but in this fast league.. it can matter..
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Oct 10 @ 7:50 AM ET
Its time to help VL turn in a great year or months,whatever. We need to trade him out of town for cap relief and allowing B Schenn back to his natural center position. Im so sick of moving these players out of their natural and comfortable positions especially when they are young and still growing . They are kiling this kids future. Thats my problem with this teams managment. Im hoping for a lottery pick and trim the fat on d and forward and go young and deal with growing pains instead of just crap on ice.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:51 AM ET
I'd personally say that the biggest area of concern isn't the defenseman, but it's the top line. They have had two poor games in a row. They have been bad both offensively, and defensively.
- MJL


I agree, but I also can't see this D corps surviving as it currently is.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:53 AM ET
Its time to help VL turn in a great year or months,whatever. We need to trade him out of town for cap relief and allowing B Schenn back to his natural center position. Im so sick of moving these players out of their natural and comfortable positions especially when they are young and still growing . They are kiling this kids future. Thats my problem with this teams managment. Im hoping for a lottery pick and trim the fat on d and forward and go young and deal with growing pains instead of just crap on ice.
- jmdodgeser4


I'll tel you.. if we end up with a lottery pick and lose like 2007, I will snap. I still can't believe the luck of this team.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Oct 10 @ 7:53 AM ET
ya know, I don't think now's the time at all... He just had a -5 game.. we'd be selling low from a position of desperation. If we do move him, I'd say in the offseason.. Or keep him and slot him as a 5/6 guy where he prob belongs. Still can't believe we gave up JVR for a 5/6 but oh well.

On a side note, does anyone notice that when passing or shooting the puck, there always seems to be a hesitation from Schenn? He always kind of has to corrall the puck on his stick a bit (even when the puck is flat) before passing or shooting. It's only a split second thing but in this fast league.. it can matter..

- Hextall271

I hear you but IMO everyone else see's what we see and I don't think he's gonna get much better nor will his stock. No there shouldn't be a trade thise very morning but if I'm hextall, I'm shopping.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:54 AM ET
ya know, I don't think now's the time at all... He just had a -5 game.. we'd be selling low from a position of desperation. If we do move him, I'd say in the offseason.. Or keep him and slot him as a 5/6 guy where he prob belongs. Still can't believe we gave up JVR for a 5/6 but oh well.

On a side note, does anyone notice that when passing or shooting the puck, there always seems to be a hesitation from Schenn? He always kind of has to corrall the puck on his stick a bit (even when the puck is flat) before passing or shooting. It's only a split second thing but in this fast league.. it can matter..

- Hextall271


Schenn is going to get unfairly criticized for being a -5 in that game. I've reviewed the replay of every goal that was scored. There were plenty of breakdowns by other players that contributed greatly to those goals. And there was some bad luck such as Henrique's shot that was going wide, hitting his skate and deflecting in.
Now is not a time to panic and make a trade. Now is a time to pay more attention to detail and shore up the team defense.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Oct 10 @ 7:54 AM ET
I'd personally say that the biggest area of concern isn't the defenseman, but it's the top line. They have had two poor games in a row. They have been bad both offensively, and defensively.
- MJL


The first line was not good at all in Boston and was a little better last night but not much! B Schenn doesn't look like he is comfortable, but it's only been 2 games. He has done nothing .

The D is a concern and MDZ getting caught up ice will kill this team as we have seen it way too much all ready. Grossman was not good last night and was beaten a couple times where he had to take a penalty at costly points in the game. Minus Coburn.. The overall foot speed on this defense is a problem
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Oct 10 @ 7:54 AM ET
Its time to help VL turn in a great year or months,whatever. We need to trade him out of town for cap relief and allowing B Schenn back to his natural center position. Im so sick of moving these players out of their natural and comfortable positions especially when they are young and still growing . They are kiling this kids future. Thats my problem with this teams managment. Im hoping for a lottery pick and trim the fat on d and forward and go young and deal with growing pains instead of just crap on ice.
- jmdodgeser4

I said this when they signed VLC especially long term deal... Homers legacy as GM: solid drafting, poopty contracts and trades.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:55 AM ET
I hear you but IMO everyone else see's what we see and I don't think he's gonna get much better nor will his stock. No there shouldn't be a trade thise very morning but if I'm hextall, I'm shopping.
- JoeRussomanno


I am not sure what the cap situation is, but if Coburn needs say a month to recover, I think we might need to sign someone off the scrap heap. I don't want to expose Ghost to this clown show.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:55 AM ET
I agree, but I also can't see this D corps surviving as it currently is.
- Hextall271


Coburn out hurts, but Schultz wasn't the problem last night, and neither was the defense. Nor were the defenseman an issue in game 1. The problem last night was team defense, and breakdowns by a many players.
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Oct 10 @ 7:56 AM ET
I'll tel you.. if we end up with a lottery pick and lose like 2007, I will snap. I still can't believe the luck of this team.
- Hextall271


I think the other #2 kid is a lw? I mean getting mcdavid would be sweet but ill be ok with the #2 pick this year.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Oct 10 @ 7:56 AM ET
I am not sure what the cap situation is, but if Coburn needs say a month to recover, I think we might need to sign someone off the scrap heap. I don't want to expose Ghost to this clown show.
- Hextall271

Bring up alt and maybe manning. They won't be any worse than Luke schenn
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Oct 10 @ 7:57 AM ET
2 games into the season and we wanna talk lottery?! C'mon guys
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:57 AM ET
Schenn is going to get unfairly criticized for being a -5 in that game. I've reviewed the replay of every goal that was scored. There were plenty of breakdowns by other players that contributed greatly to those goals. And there was some bad luck such as Henrique's shot that was going wide, hitting his skate and deflecting in.
Now is not a time to panic and make a trade. Now is a time to pay more attention to detail and shore up the team defense.

- MJL


I'll agree that we shoudn't panic..and the bad game is not all on Schenn but I can't see us doing well without Coburn. Schenn and others are not properly slotted right now and we're asking too much of them. You think last night was bad, Montreal must be licking their chops.
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Oct 10 @ 7:57 AM ET
Bring up alt and maybe manning. They won't be any worse than Luke schenn
- JoeRussomanno


this guy!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:58 AM ET
Two games into the season. No reason for panic. Already talk about trades, missing the playoffs, getting the top pick. Crazy.
jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Oct 10 @ 7:58 AM ET
I'll agree that we shoudn't panic..and the bad game is not all on Schenn but I can't see us doing well without Coburn. Schenn and others are not properly slotted right now and we're asking too much of them. You think last night was bad, Montreal must be licking their chops.
- Hextall271


I see PK with the hatty. Just got that feeling, yah know?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:59 AM ET
I'll agree that we shoudn't panic..and the bad game is not all on Schenn but I can't see us doing well without Coburn. Schenn and others are not properly slotted right now and we're asking too much of them. You think last night was bad, Montreal must be licking their chops.
- Hextall271


I fully expect the Flyers to turn it around. Their defense is not ideal, and losing Coburn hurts. But this defense is still capable.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 10 @ 8:00 AM ET
Coburn out hurts, but Schultz wasn't the problem last night, and neither was the defense. Nor were the defenseman an issue in game 1. The problem last night was team defense, and breakdowns by a many players.
- MJL


Team D can improve, but did you notice plays like Jagr walking around Grossmann resulting in him taking a penalty? Forwards can help, but our D is overmatched against top lines without Coburn.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Oct 10 @ 8:00 AM ET
this guy!
- jmdodgeser4

like I said I've been a supporter of the kid but it's not working out here with him, maybe another city will do him good but barring some stretches in the half season he's been mediocre at best.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 8:00 AM ET
Its time to help VL turn in a great year or months,whatever. We need to trade him out of town for cap relief and allowing B Schenn back to his natural center position. Im so sick of moving these players out of their natural and comfortable positions especially when they are young and still growing . They are kiling this kids future. Thats my problem with this teams managment. Im hoping for a lottery pick and trim the fat on d and forward and go young and deal with growing pains instead of just crap on ice.
- jmdodgeser4


B Schenn has had plenty of games where he was at Center where he was invisible.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 8:00 AM ET
Bring up alt and maybe manning. They won't be any worse than Luke schenn
- JoeRussomanno


Yes, they can be.
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