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jmdodgeser4
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.26.2009

Oct 10 @ 3:15 PM ET
Do the Flyers defensemen wear skate protectors like this to protect their feet from shots?

http://www.shotblockers.c...tent&menuid=6&pageid=1007

- Feanor


pLEASE NO. tHEY WOULD BE EVEN SLOWER!!!
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 10 @ 3:16 PM ET
pLEASE NO. tHEY WOULD BE EVEN SLOWER!!!
- jmdodgeser4

the couldn't be any more slower
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 10 @ 3:18 PM ET
Hartnell lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQvKYi8Ss4Q
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 10 @ 3:18 PM ET
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 10 @ 3:19 PM ET
the couldn't be any more slower
- 2Real


Having the bones in their feet broken by slapshots would make them slower.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Oct 10 @ 3:20 PM ET
I understand the Flyers are a better team with Coburn in the lineup but lets not forget there were quite a few games over the last few seasons the Flyers yielded 7,8 & 9 goals against. All while having Coburn, Timonen & Carle among others in the lineup. Just saying.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 10 @ 3:20 PM ET
Game is tied at 4 and Mason gives up a very soft game winning goal. You can say he had no chance one the other 4 but in the end..all that matters..he gave up an atrocious goal for the loss. That is goaltending though, the night before he kept them in it at points so it will balance out but still that goal was junk.

Personally I believe the Forwards take the blame for their defensive effort regardless of what Mason did.

- opeth_pa


disagree vehemently with atrocious. i couldn't be any farther apart on that. at 4 - 4 after coming back all those times, you shouldn't give up a 2 on 1 after just tying the game in the 3rd period. you can also blame the d. great shot from point blank.

and to say "that's all that matters" is ridiculous because it lets the rest of the team off the hook for the rest of the game.

tell ya' what...when you've strapped on the pads and stopped that shot you can say it was atrocious.

do you need and want that save there? of course. atrocious? bull(frank)ingpoop.





MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 10 @ 3:21 PM ET
I understand the Flyers are a better team with Coburn in the lineup but lets not forget there were quite a few games over the last few seasons the Flyers yielded 7,8 & 9 goals against. All while having Coburn, Timonen & Carle among others in the lineup. Just saying.
- GOA88



Quite a few huh?
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Oct 10 @ 3:21 PM ET

- MBFlyerfan

I didnt think someone would have caught my failed attempt at suicide on tape this morning after trying to sleep last nights loss off......
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Oct 10 @ 3:21 PM ET
Quite a few huh?

- MBFlyerfan

YEP. look it up.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 10 @ 3:22 PM ET
disagree vehemently with atrocious. i couldn't be any farther apart on that. at 4 - 4 after coming back all those times, you shouldn't give up a 2 on 1 after just tying the game in the 3rd period. you can also blame the d. great shot from point blank.

and to say "that's all that matters" is ridiculous because it lets the rest of the team off the hook for the rest of the game.

tell ya' what...when you've strapped on the pads and stopped that shot you can say it was atrocious.

do you need and want that save there? of course. atrocious? bull(frank)ingpoop.

- hammarby31



Like I said, general suckage.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 10 @ 3:24 PM ET
Anthony Mingioni ‏@AnthonyMingioni 15m15 minutes ago

The news look good on injured defenseman Braydon Coburn per the beats. Doesn't look like substantial time lost with his lower body injury.

- wilsonecho91


That is awesome news -- that dude can't get back soon enough
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Oct 10 @ 3:24 PM ET
Like I said, general suckage.
- MBFlyerfan

Mason is fine. He probably should have stopped that 5th goal but he was left out to dry all game long. I refuse to blame him for anything right now.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 10 @ 3:26 PM ET
Hartnell lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQvKYi8Ss4Q

- Marc D


Looks like Carle's getting his minutes cut in Tampa, too.

Taken off the PP completely, and his TOI is down to 16:49 from 22:00+.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Oct 10 @ 3:26 PM ET
disagree vehemently with atrocious. i couldn't be any farther apart on that. at 4 - 4 after coming back all those times, you shouldn't give up a 2 on 1 after just tying the game in the 3rd period. you can also blame the d. great shot from point blank.

and to say "that's all that matters" is ridiculous because it lets the rest of the team off the hook for the rest of the game.

tell ya' what...when you've strapped on the pads and stopped that shot you can say it was atrocious.

do you need and want that save there? of course. atrocious? bull(frank)ingpoop.

- hammarby31


Was this the part where I let the rest of the team off the hook, "Personally I believe the Forwards take the blame for their defensive effort regardless of what Mason did."

We can agree to disagree then..To me in a 4 on 4 game , your starting goalie needs to make a save on a routine shot.

Also that strapping the pads on stuff is funny. Seriously , you sound as sand in the vag as I was last season every time someone praised Couturier.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 10 @ 3:27 PM ET
YEP. look it up.
- GOA88



Ok, last season they let up 7 or more 3 times

Season 2012-2013 they scored 7 or more 3 times without letting up that many in any games.

Season 2011-2012 they scored more than 7 goals 4 times while letting up 7 or more 1 time.

So that is 4 times in the last three season. You ARE right, that is quite a few.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 10 @ 3:28 PM ET
Looks like Carle's getting his minutes cut in Tampa, too.

Taken off the PP completely, and his TOI is down to 16:49 from 22:00+.

- Tomahawk

well tampa has good depth on D

GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Oct 10 @ 3:30 PM ET
Ok, last season they let up 7 or more 3 times

Season 2012-2013 they scored 7 or more 3 times without letting up that many in any games.

Season 2011-2012 they scored more than 7 goals 4 times while letting up 7 or more 1 time.

So that is 4 times in the last three season. You ARE right, that is quite a few.

- MBFlyerfan

I was also referring to the 10-4 ass kicking we took from the Pens in the playoffs.
The 9-8 loss to the Jets and the 8-7 loss to the Lightning. Thats just horrible.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 10 @ 3:31 PM ET
well tampa has good depth on D


- Marc D


They must have only one dman on their PP units cause Hedman had 7 PP minutes, Stralman had almost 5 PP minutes, and the next most was Garrison with 12 seconds.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 10 @ 3:32 PM ET
Looks like Carle's getting his minutes cut in Tampa, too.

Taken off the PP completely, and his TOI is down to 16:49 from 22:00+.

- Tomahawk

I wonder about Brewer sticking there, wasn't he scratched last night?

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 10 @ 3:34 PM ET
Was this the part where I let the rest of the team off the hook, "Personally I believe the Forwards take the blame for their defensive effort regardless of what Mason did."

We can agree to disagree then..To me in a 4 on 4 game , your starting goalie needs to make a save on a routine shot.

Also that strapping the pads on stuff is funny. Seriously , you sound as sand in the vag as I was last season every time someone praised Couturier.

- opeth_pa


you stated your view on mason's performance in your original post rather plainly.

pretty much every shot is routine then right? and the goalie should just make every save, because he's the goalie? right? but wait, the backup shouldn't be expected to make that save on that routine shot simply because he's the backup? so if emery got beat there it wouldn't be atrocious? right?

funny? it's not funny, it's (frank)ing sad. because 99.9% of the population doesn't have a (frank)ing clue how hard the position is to play, even for the pros, and say poop like you did...atrocious, routine, all that matters etc etc...i'm sick to death of it.

and couturier is a terrific young player.




Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 10 @ 3:42 PM ET
I think he means ideally MacDonald would be a 4/5. Obviously, the Flyers situation is far from ideal.
- NickTheKid87


Well, at least one person understood. I'm sharing an opinion of MacDonald, built upon watching him, looking at his stats, advanced and traditional and in conjunction with others whose opinions I respect.

IMO, if MacDonald is the best guy on your second pair, your 2nd pair isn't that great. If he's the second guy on your second pair, it's probably a solid, if not very good pair. It's not as if MacDonald was playing 20 minutes a night on a good defense. He was one of the Isles better defensemen, but if he was on a team like Chicago, St Louis, LA, or the Rangers, he's probably not playing 20 minutes a night.

He's not an awful player, but it amazes me the reaction one gets when it's suggested he's little more than a secondary guy
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 10 @ 3:42 PM ET
They must have only one dman on their PP units cause Hedman had 7 PP minutes, Stralman had almost 5 PP minutes, and the next most was Garrison with 12 seconds.
- Feanor


Yeah, Filppula and Connolly manning the points on their respective units.

I wonder about Brewer sticking there, wasn't he scratched last night?
- Marc D


To think he was once deemed worthy of being the centerpiece of a trade sending Chris Pronger away.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Oct 10 @ 3:46 PM ET
Well, at least one person understood. I'm sharing an opinion of MacDonald, built upon watching him, looking at his stats, advanced and traditional and in conjunction with others whose opinions I respect.

IMO, if MacDonald is the best guy on your second pair, your 2nd pair isn't that great. If he's the second guy on your second pair, it's probably a solid, if not very good pair. It's not as if MacDonald was playing 20 minutes a night on a good defense. He was one of the Isles better defensemen, but if he was on a team like Chicago, St Louis, LA, or the Rangers, he's probably not playing 20 minutes a night.

He's not an awful player, but it amazes me the reaction one gets when it's suggested he's little more than a secondary guy

- Jsaquella


Well look who the main reactor was.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Oct 10 @ 3:46 PM ET
I was also referring to the 10-4 ass kicking we took from the Pens in the playoffs.
The 9-8 loss to the Jets and the 8-7 loss to the Lightning. Thats just horrible.

- GOA88


It happens. It's rare though but never fun.
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