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White and Pronger on LTIR.

http://www.capgeek.com/flyers/transactions/
- Feanor

If they put Timonen on LTIR, doesn't that free up an addition $3.5 million?

They have a couple on regular IR. Krejci and Campbell, for instance are both on regular IR, not LTIR. Count against cap, not roster limit
- Jsaquella

homos

They have a couple on regular IR. Krejci and Campbell, for instance are both on regular IR, not LTIR. Count against cap, not roster limit
- Jsaquella

I see, thanks.

If they put Timonen on LTIR, doesn't that free up an addition $3.5 million?
- NickTheKid87

No, $2mm. The additional $1.5mm on Timonen is bonuses.

If they put Timonen on LTIR, doesn't that free up an addition $3.5 million?
- NickTheKid87

I think you can only LTIR his base salary, which is $2M. And you have to take off the $55K space they have. But yes, they can LTIR him and have $1.945M.

No, $2mm. The additional $1.5mm on Timonen is bonuses.
- Jsaquella

Oh ok thanks. Is there any financial reason they didn't put Timonen on LTIR with White and Pronger? He clearly fits the criteria.

homos
- jmatchett383

Nothing wrong with that. Hell, Giroux's grabbing male cop butt all summer.

Oh ok thanks. Is there any financial reason they didn't put Timonen on LTIR with White and Pronger? He clearly fits the criteria.
- NickTheKid87

I think because they don't need to right now? My understanding is that if they have to call a player up, they can then put Kimmo on LTIR and benefit the most from the cap space that way. If they put Kimmo on LTIR now, they lose that space since it's not being used, right?

Edit: ...they lose that space over time since it's not being used, right?

Nothing wrong with that. Hell, Giroux's grabbing male cop butt all summer.
- Jsaquella

I think it's a positive. Creates a calm mood in the showers.

I think because they don't need to right now? My understanding is that if they have to call a player up, they can then put Kimmo on LTIR and benefit the most from the cap space that way. If they put Kimmo on LTIR now, they lose that space since it's not being used, right?

Edit: ...they lose that space over time since it's not being used, right?
- mcefalu

Something about "The cap is calculated daily." I'm not sure how it goes, but yes, for some reason it's not best to do it right away.

If someone can explain why, using numbers in an example, that would be nice.

Oh ok thanks. Is there any financial reason they didn't put Timonen on LTIR with White and Pronger? He clearly fits the criteria.
- NickTheKid87

They can get his full exemption by waiting.

If you are over the cap when the rosters have to be submitted, but have a guy going on LTIR, you only get to use as much of that guy's LTIR exemption as you are over the cap.

So if the Flyers were $1mm over, and LTIR'd Pronger, they'd only get to use $1mm of his LTIR money. The rest would be wasted. It's why they waited to LTIR Pronger last season and juggled Hall and Laughton.


They were enough over the cap with their final roster to cover all of White's hit and all but $55K of Pronger's hit. Had they put Kimmo on LTIR now, only $55K of his cap hit would be able to be used as LTIR exemption space, the rest would be wasted.

Now they can LTIR Kimmo whenever they need to and utilize close to his full cap hit to add players.

I don't understand what Boston did. They have 26 players on their roster but only one is on LTIR? I thought the roster limit was 23.
- Feanor

That makes two of us.

They can get his full exemption by waiting.

If you are over the cap when the rosters have to be submitted, but have a guy going on LTIR, you only get to use as much of that guy's LTIR exemption as you are over the cap.

So if the Flyers were $1mm over, and LTIR'd Pronger, they'd only get to use $1mm of his LTIR money. The rest would be wasted. It's why they waited to LTIR Pronger last season and juggled Hall and Laughton.


They were enough over the cap with their final roster to cover all of White's hit and all but $55K of Pronger's hit. Had they put Kimmo on LTIR now, they would have only had $55K of his cap hit to use as "cap space"
- Jsaquella

The salary cap be crazy

They can get his full exemption by waiting.

If you are over the cap when the rosters have to be submitted, but have a guy going on LTIR, you only get to use as much of that guy's LTIR exemption as you are over the cap.

So if the Flyers were $1mm over, and LTIR'd Pronger, they'd only get to use $1mm of his LTIR money. They were enough over the cap with their final roster to cover all of White's hit and all but $55K of Pronger's hit. Had they put Kimmo on LTIR now, they would have only had $55K of his cap hit to use as "cap space"
- Jsaquella

They wouldn't have any cap space to use at all if they had place Timonen on LTIR now. And they essentially would have only gotten 55K of exemption space for placing Timonen on LTIR. Versus the 2M they can get by doing it at 5PM today if they wanted to.

The salary cap be crazy
- mcefalu

Capgeek's FAq does a good job of explaining it. It'd be better if the NHL would just grant an exemption that allowed the Flyers to pay off Pronger, allow him to retire and move on with life.

Capgeek's FAq does a good job of explaining it. It'd be better if the NHL would just grant an exemption that allowed the Flyers to pay off Pronger, allow him to retire and move on with life.
- Jsaquella

It would be better for the fans and their ability to understand it. It wouldn't be better for actual cap accounting.

Capgeek's FAq does a good job of explaining it. It'd be better if the NHL would just grant an exemption that allowed the Flyers to pay off Pronger, allow him to retire and move on with life.
- Jsaquella

Yeah, I can't believe that is not something the league is looking into in the future. I really hope it is. Doubtful, though.

Capgeek's FAq does a good job of explaining it. It'd be better if the NHL would just grant an exemption that allowed the Flyers to pay off Pronger, allow him to retire and move on with life.
- Jsaquella

Speaking of which:

@TSNBobMcKenzie · 4m 4 minutes ago
Here's an interesting question: Could Chris Pronger remain on PHI's LTIR and at same time work for @NHLPlayerSafety? Perhaps we'll find out.

@TSNBobMcKenzie · 39s 40 seconds ago
It's believed @NHLPlayerSafety has interest in Pronger, and vice versa, but his status on LTIR requires attention. NHLPA is involved.

Yeah, I can't believe that is not something the league is looking into in the future. I really hope it is. Doubtful, though.
- mcefalu

Doubtful. They're not looking to help a team that signed a contract that the NHL hates and wouldn't even approve under the current rules, just because a guy got hurt.

seasons greetings all!

They can get his full exemption by waiting.

If you are over the cap when the rosters have to be submitted, but have a guy going on LTIR, you only get to use as much of that guy's LTIR exemption as you are over the cap.

So if the Flyers were $1mm over, and LTIR'd Pronger, they'd only get to use $1mm of his LTIR money. The rest would be wasted. It's why they waited to LTIR Pronger last season and juggled Hall and Laughton.


They were enough over the cap with their final roster to cover all of White's hit and all but $55K of Pronger's hit. Had they put Kimmo on LTIR now, only $55K of his cap hit would be able to be used as LTIR exemption space, the rest would be wasted.

Now they can LTIR Kimmo whenever they need to and utilize close to his full cap hit to add players.
- Jsaquella

Thanks! It's great to have a Cap Guru on the boards. It's like you're Mike Myers in the Love Guru but instead of love it's the salary cap and instead of the Leafs it's the Flyers.

Speaking of which:

@TSNBobMcKenzie · 4m 4 minutes ago
Here's an interesting question: Could Chris Pronger remain on PHI's LTIR and at same time work for @NHLPlayerSafety? Perhaps we'll find out.

@TSNBobMcKenzie · 39s 40 seconds ago
It's believed @NHLPlayerSafety has interest in Pronger, and vice versa, but his status on LTIR requires attention. NHLPA is involved.
- mcefalu

Not sure why it would be an issue, unless his role would involve input on suspensions, which is a question of competitive fairness. Lappy worked a job for the Flyers during his LTIR run.

Speaking of which:

@TSNBobMcKenzie · 4m 4 minutes ago
Here's an interesting question: Could Chris Pronger remain on PHI's LTIR and at same time work for @NHLPlayerSafety? Perhaps we'll find out.

@TSNBobMcKenzie · 39s 40 seconds ago
It's believed @NHLPlayerSafety has interest in Pronger, and vice versa, but his status on LTIR requires attention. NHLPA is involved.
- mcefalu

So dumb.

Can we just pay this man his money and have everyone move on?

The NHL already caved on giving the Devils back their first round pick for the Kovalchuk contract.....why not cave on this when it's PAINFULLY OBVIOUS that the system is just being gamed in this situation?

seasons greetings all!
- stayinthefnnet

Hi. It's good we don't have to hate you yet

It would be better for the fans and their ability to understand it. It wouldn't be better for actual cap accounting.
- MJL

It would be a nice gesture to Pronger for him to get to have real closure instead of having to wait around for years.