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YzermanIsTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
Location: TN
Joined: 09.29.2013

Oct 7 @ 12:36 PM ET
Kaner is 10x as clutch because he has more elite skill. And did you just say only reason?
- RonPielep

Only reason wasn't really warranted, I take that back. But Kane is not 10x the clutch player Zetterberg is. Is he more clutch? Yes. Is he ten times the player in do-or-die situations? Hell no.
peddy-93
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Bernier is better than Reimer, Reimer is better than Bernier - #TOproblems, ON
Joined: 06.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 12:38 PM ET
BUT......where was his defensive skills in that game 7?
- ChetManly

I know right! That (frank)er should have stood right infront of Reimer and cleared all those rebounds!
ChetManly
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I think Chet Manly is the worst poster on this site - James Tanner
Joined: 06.25.2013

Oct 7 @ 12:46 PM ET
I know right! That (frank)er should have stood right infront of Reimer and cleared all those rebounds!
- peddy-93

pfft, he should've just blocked all of the shots during the whole game!!!
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:11 PM ET
No duclair?
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:14 PM ET
Kane - 69 pts. Kessel - 80.
- peddy-93

Kane: 69 games
Kessel: 82 games
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Oct 7 @ 1:19 PM ET
Kane: 69 games
Kessel: 82 games

- rangerdanger94

Iron man
MannySilvers
New Jersey Devils
Location: ROCK LAND, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:21 PM ET
1. Jagr
2. Jagr
3. Jagr
4. Kovalchuk
5. Parise

rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:21 PM ET
Iron man
- walshyleafsfan

It's hard to get hurt if you never battle in the corners or go to the dirty areas
peddy-93
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Bernier is better than Reimer, Reimer is better than Bernier - #TOproblems, ON
Joined: 06.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 1:29 PM ET
It's hard to get hurt if you never battle in the corners or go to the dirty areas
- rangerdanger94

I'd rather have him not do that and stay healthy than do.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:29 PM ET
Before you nerds roast me, I would just like to come clean about something: I forget about Corey Perry when I made my list. Not sure why or how, but I did. Obviously he is a top 3 winger in the NHL. My bad.
- James_Tanner


Let's get him fellow nerds!!










*Drops pocket protector*
peddy-93
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Bernier is better than Reimer, Reimer is better than Bernier - #TOproblems, ON
Joined: 06.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 1:30 PM ET
Kane: 69 games
Kessel: 82 games

- rangerdanger94

Oh, and did you know Kessel has more even strength pts than anyone in the league in the past 3 years?
noffsin6
Detroit Red Wings
Location: MI
Joined: 08.01.2006

Oct 7 @ 1:38 PM ET
Oh, and did you know Kessel has more even strength pts than anyone in the league in the past 3 years?
- peddy-93


And yet still manages to have a negative plus/minus for all three years.
TheCat29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.23.2012

Oct 7 @ 1:42 PM ET
And yet still manages to have a negative plus/minus for all three years.
- noffsin6


Further proof that plus/minus is a franking joke!
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Oct 7 @ 1:51 PM ET
Oh, and did you know Kessel has more even strength pts than anyone in the league in the past 3 years?
- peddy-93


how many points did Kessel score in the last 14 games of the 2013-14 season?
CreepyPasta
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Ghost of HA's liver. #shutupJB
Joined: 10.05.2014

Oct 7 @ 1:52 PM ET
how many points did Kessel score in the last 14 games of the 2013-14 season?
- DoubleDown

Way more than Clarkson.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Oct 7 @ 2:01 PM ET
Tanner, two-way teams win championships. LA, Boston, Detroit, Chicago. All of those teams are/were phenomonal with their back checking and defensive plays. Offense wins you games, but defense wins you championships.
- YzermanIsTheMan



That is such a bad argument. All of those teams would be better with Ovechkin. Ovechkin would be better if you got the players from those teams that are good at defense and put them on Washington. You're making several logical fallacies in your argument.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Oct 7 @ 2:03 PM ET
I wrote up a blog about this blog today. It's about how I rated Ovechkin higher than all my pals did.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...Proves-the-Rule/200/62856
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Oct 7 @ 2:04 PM ET
Only reason wasn't really warranted, I take that back. But Kane is not 10x the clutch player Zetterberg is. Is he more clutch? Yes. Is he ten times the player in do-or-die situations? Hell no.
- YzermanIsTheMan


Sorry, I was referring to Kessel not Zberg. But yeah either way I was exaggerating.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 7 @ 2:06 PM ET
That is such a bad argument. All of those teams would be better with Ovechkin. Ovechkin would be better if you got the players from those teams that are good at defense and put them on Washington. You're making several logical fallacies in your argument.
- James_Tanner

Defense and goaltending wins championships. All those teams would obviously be better with Ovi but they won without him with guys like Martinez scoring Cup-winning OT goals. If Ovi had a supporting cast capable of playing defense as well as was more defensively responsible himself (he can have 11 defensive forwards on the team but they will still give up goals if he doesn't commit considering he'll lead them in TOI) the Caps will be golden. For example, put him on St. Louis and they likely win within 3 years.
BlowMonkey
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.14.2006

Oct 7 @ 2:23 PM ET
how many points did Kessel score in the last 14 games of the 2013-14 season?
- DoubleDown

7 the same number of points Kane got in January through 14 games.

#irrelevant
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 7 @ 2:32 PM ET
7 the same number of points Kane got in January through 14 games.

#irrelevant

- BlowMonkey

I think the relevance there is that kessel disappeared during the most important part of your season.

#philnashel
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Oct 7 @ 2:32 PM ET
7 the same number of points Kane got in January through 14 games.

#irrelevant

- BlowMonkey


yes March was irrelevant
YzermanIsTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
Location: TN
Joined: 09.29.2013

Oct 7 @ 2:35 PM ET
That is such a bad argument. All of those teams would be better with Ovechkin. Ovechkin would be better if you got the players from those teams that are good at defense and put them on Washington. You're making several logical fallacies in your argument.
- James_Tanner

Except that there isn't. Defense wins you championships.

"Each team with be better with Ovechkin."
You're sort of right. Each team would've scored more goals if they had Ovechkin. But that's about it. He wouldn't have made them better as a whole team. His drive to score wouldn't have made up for the 200 foot game that a lot of the top six wingers played with. Not one of the top six wingers on those teams scored more than 40 goals during their SC winning years. I don't think really any topped 30ish. They don't need a 50 goal scorer. They needed a number one star center (Datsyuk, Bergeron, Kopitar, Toews), solid defense (Chara, Lidstrom, Doughty, Keith), a good-great goalie (Osgood, Niemi, Quick, Thomas, Crawford), and lots of depth (too many to name.)

You continuously state that scoring goals is SUPER IMPORTANT. But, its not THAT important. Depth and good defensive play is.
BlowMonkey
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.14.2006

Oct 7 @ 2:35 PM ET
I think the relevance there is that kessel disappeared during the most important part of your season.

#philnashel

- rangerdanger94

yes points earned in January are worth less than points earned later in the season.

math r hard.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 7 @ 2:37 PM ET
yes points earned in January are worth less than points earned later in the season.

math r hard.

- BlowMonkey

Chicago was never in danger of missing the playoffs...toronto was battling until the last month.
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