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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 7 @ 2:50 PM ET

- PLindbergh31


Hey it's that guy who won two playoff rounds in 15 years.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 7 @ 2:51 PM ET
Must be that huge market Pittsburgh plays in that gives them an advantage over the rest of the NHL.
- PLindbergh31



No, that would be Malkin and Crosby.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 7 @ 2:51 PM ET
Hey it's that guy who won two playoff rounds in 15 years.
- Feanor


Small market team. Some how they were able to roll their pennies and match the Weber offer sheet though.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 7 @ 2:52 PM ET
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Oct 7 @ 2:53 PM ET
I'm not saying Bylsma is Scotty Bowman, but the guy was a coach for a team that won a Stanley Cup. That usually buys you a pretty substantial grace period.
- PLindbergh31


he got a pretty good amount of rope. and i would argue that it was more HOW they lost, more than simply just THAT they lost.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Oct 7 @ 2:53 PM ET

- BulliesPhan87



and you cant even blame this one on me!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 2:53 PM ET
Small market team. Some how they were able to roll their pennies and match the Weber offer sheet though.
- PLindbergh31


Yep. And as such, their level of play has dropped 2 straight seasons since. They abandoned their value idea and instead adopted the 1 star player and spare parts approach.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 7 @ 2:53 PM ET
Small market team. Some how they were able to roll their pennies and match the Weber offer sheet though.
- PLindbergh31


Wow, they do sound pretty cool. So what are you waiting for? Plenty of space on the Predators bandwagon and in their blog comments here. And I bet their GM has never made a bad trade in his life.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 7 @ 2:54 PM ET
and you cant even blame this one on me!
- stayinthefnnet

given the current lapses in logic, I most certainly can!
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 2:54 PM ET
I'd agree with you on all accounts. However, this Pittsburgh team was constructed to be a dynasty for years. The fact that they've failed to even win an ECF game in 5 years is unacceptable.
- jmatchett383


I agree with you. I think part of the issue has been the structure of the team with the cap. Too much high priced talent. Malkin is a super star in his own right and paid as such. Fleury, Letang are paid handsomely but do they deliver enough? As a result, they have to pare down the talent around them and lack depth.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 2:54 PM ET
Must be that huge market Pittsburgh plays in that gives them an advantage over the rest of the NHL.
- PLindbergh31


Or the fact that they drafted 2 elite centers, a good (not great) goalie, a very solid and replenishable defense, and a strong supporting cast.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Oct 7 @ 2:54 PM ET
An argument completely composed of slinging sarcastic comments at one another. Only on HockeyBuzz.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 7 @ 2:55 PM ET
Yep. And as such, their level of play has dropped 2 straight seasons since. They abandoned their value idea and instead adopted the 1 star player and spare parts approach.
- jmatchett383


You mean with their new approach, they won't be able to win one playoff series in the next 15 years?
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 2:55 PM ET
Small market team. Some how they were able to roll their pennies and match the Weber offer sheet though.
- PLindbergh31


I'd like to know if they'd do that again. Since they matched, it's been two non playoff years so I can't expect they're rolling in dough.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 7 @ 2:56 PM ET
Or the fact that they drafted 2 elite centers, a good (not great) goalie, a very solid and replenishable defense, and a strong supporting cast.
- jmatchett383


Yeah, but they tanked to do it. And actually got the first pick in the draft when they did. So it doesn't count.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Oct 7 @ 2:56 PM ET
Very few teams can accomplish what Detroit has since 97.. having said that, I'd take a cup win in 2009 and be very content over how long it's been for the Flyers. I do think we're on a much better path now trying to win by drafting well.
- Hextall271


i didnt want to sound like i wasnt glad or grateful that they won in 2009. but the manner in which they have underperformed has been very frustrating.

and yes, i do think the flyers are on a much better path. while i dont think either of the PA teams are exactly clear favorites to win it this year, i do think they each have a solid window left of anywhere from 5 to 7 years where they can get things going around their top centers.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Oct 7 @ 2:57 PM ET
given the current lapses in logic, I most certainly can!
- BulliesPhan87

this stone was rolling down hill before i reared my head
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 7 @ 2:58 PM ET
An argument completely composed of slinging sarcastic comments at one another. Only on the internet in general.
- NickTheKid87

ftfy
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 2:59 PM ET
i didnt want to sound like i wasnt glad or grateful that they won in 2009. but the manner in which they have underperformed has been very frustrating.

and yes, i do think the flyers are on a much better path. while i dont think either of the PA teams are exactly clear favorites to win it this year, i do think they each have a solid window left of anywhere from 5 to 7 years where they can get things going around their top centers.

- stayinthefnnet


I think that if the Flyers had a true #1 defenseman and maybe a solid #2 (basically to replace Pronger and Timonen of 2010 time frame), they have the forward and D to come out of the east. Hell, you throw Doughty in the mix all by himself and i'd take my chances.. lol
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Oct 7 @ 3:03 PM ET
I think that if the Flyers had a true #1 defenseman and maybe a solid #2 (basically to replace Pronger and Timonen of 2010 time frame), they have the forward and D to come out of the east. Hell, you throw Doughty in the mix all by himself and i'd take my chances.. lol
- Hextall271


throwing doughty onto the flyers current roster, without having to send anything back/not worry about salary implications?

yeah. id say theyd have as good a chance as anyone in the east under that circumstance.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 7 @ 3:04 PM ET
Doesn't even have to be Doughty. Just swap MacDonald with Bouwmeester and the team would be top 6 in the East.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 7 @ 3:06 PM ET
Doesn't even have to be Doughty. Just swap MacDonald with Bouwmeester and the team would be top 6 in the East.
- Feanor

yea but what would we have to give up
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:07 PM ET
ftfy
- BulliesPhan87


Nuh uh on Twitter one party gets really offended and blocks the other. Plus .gifs are used and memes.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 7 @ 3:08 PM ET
Nuh uh on Twitter one party gets really offended and blocks the other. Plus .gifs are used and memes.
- NickTheKid87

what if they're blocking each other sarcastically? didn't think of that, huh?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 3:09 PM ET
yea but what would we have to give up
- 2Real


I think he's basically saying swap AMac or Schenn for Doughty. Not that it's feasible, but just if we had been able to draft/land him instead.
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