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3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Oct 7 @ 1:04 PM ET
My worry with Vinny isn't scoring goals, it's 5 on 5 play
- Jsaquella



That's my worry too, but i am just hoping by possibly increasing his offensive output it may lead to a confidence boost which will improve his overall game.

Just a hope!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:05 PM ET
No such thing.
- Jsaquella


When your manhood land looks like a deformed midget in a burn ward, you may need to give it a breather.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:05 PM ET
That's my worry too, but i am just hoping by possibly increasing his offensive output it may lead to a confidence boost which will improve his overall game.

Just a hope!

- 3flyerkids


I still think he'll need to outscore his deficiencies.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 7 @ 1:07 PM ET
Only one more day. Boy it has been a long off season.

Things I'm looking forward to seeing:

1. Hoping for a fast start for Giroux (and to some extent Voracek).
The team will be fine if they get G at his PPG level from the start, if they both start slow it will be trouble

2. Coburn and AMAC as the top pair
I expect them to struggle at first getting used to each other. Actually the entire year may be somewhat difficult as Coburn excelled with Kimmo, and AMAC while an upgrade to their overall D, will be hard put to excel if forced to play 21-22+ min/game
These two will get the tough match ups and how well they do will have a big impact on the overall team.

3. Del Zotto
Looking forward to see what he's got and think with him on the left and L Schenn on the right, this has potential for a decent pairing.

4. PEB
He seems fast and intelligent, think they picked up a winner here.

5. VLC
If he can skate after the back injury. If that line with Raffl and Umby can hold it's own on 5 v 5, I would be happy.

6. Expect B Schenn to do very well on G's wing

7. Simmonds with Couts/Read
I love Wayne, after G my favorite current player, but his strength is not as a defensive forward. We know Couts will get the tough match ups, how will Simmer fare in this regard as a shut down guy?

8. Streit
If he stays healthy he will put up some major points this year.

9. Mase
Can he maintain the excellent play for a whole year? I think he can.

In a division where its the Pens and then everyone else, they should be in the fight for a play off spot as long as G can play ~90% of the games. Realistically the NYRs and even the CBJs I see as being ahead of the Flyers right now. The Isles on paper are much improved. They will need the whole team to buy into the team D concept and for their top guys to stay healthy to realistically have a shot at the playoffs.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:15 PM ET
Per the beats, Lecavalier will be on the 1st PP unit in Hartsy's old spot
- Jsaquella


I read that somewhere as well. Vinny does have a wicked one timer. Could work out really well, and Vinny should be happier if he's used in this capacity.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 7 @ 1:15 PM ET
Only one more day. Boy it has been a long off season.

Things I'm looking forward to seeing:

1. Hoping for a fast start for Giroux (and to some extent Voracek).
The team will be fine if they get G at his PPG level from the start, if they both start slow it will be trouble

2. Coburn and AMAC as the top pair
I expect them to struggle at first getting used to each other. Actually the entire year may be somewhat difficult as Coburn excelled with Kimmo, and AMAC while an upgrade to their overall D, will be hard put to excel if forced to play 21-22+ min/game
These two will get the tough match ups and how well they do will have a big impact on the overall team.

3. Del Zotto
Looking forward to see what he's got and think with him on the left and L Schenn on the right, this has potential for a decent pairing.

4. PEB
He seems fast and intelligent, think they picked up a winner here.

- Marc D


I don't know about PEB. He's not even a NHL player yet.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:15 PM ET
Rinaldo may have a play date partner.

Devils apparently will be signing Tootoo.

- flyer_nutter


did they sign gomez?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 7 @ 1:17 PM ET
I read that somewhere as well. Vinny does have a wicked one timer. Could work out really well, and Vinny should be happier if he's used in this capacity.
- Hextall271

The first PP should be very good for the Flyers.
Hopefully the second unit can improve, and the 5 vs 3 unit too.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:17 PM ET
did they sign gomez?
- hammarby31


He's still waiting to hear

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 7 @ 1:18 PM ET
I don't know about PEB. He's not even a NHL player yet.
- Feanor

I've been gone and while I did read Meltzer's blog every day did not keep up with all the replies. Was PEB dissed already as not being a legit player?
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:19 PM ET
The first PP should be very good for the Flyers.
Hopefully the second unit can improve, and the 5 vs 3 unit too.

- Marc D


That's part of the reason the team may be better than some think. D corps is a worry, but solid PP, solid tending and perhaps less time spent in the box could mean a playoff berth.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:19 PM ET
Per the beats, Lecavalier will be on the 1st PP unit in Hartsy's old spot
- Jsaquella


i think bunny will have a good year.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:20 PM ET
I've been gone and while I did read Meltzer's blog every day did not keep up with all the replies. Was PEB dissed already as not being a legit player?
- Marc D


bust
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:20 PM ET
He's still waiting to hear


- jmatchett383


so that's a no.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 7 @ 1:21 PM ET
I've been gone and while I did read Meltzer's blog every day did not keep up with all the replies. Was PEB dissed already as not being a legit player?
- Marc D


Only by someone who didn't know what the word "was" means.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:23 PM ET
I believe that Umberger is at best a slight upgrade on Hartnell 5v5, he's not some crazy speedster Selke candidate that some people make him out to be. If he doesn't come close to matching Hartnell's production (or to have a net positive in production based on other players getting chances), then the trade-off may not be worth it, at least in the short-term. Looking at it strictly from an offensive point of view, it's a bad trade. Whether or not the other differences in their games offsets that is yet to be seen.
- jmatchett383



There are unknowns involved here. One is how well Hartnell would've produced offensivrly this upcoming year, if he had remained a Flyer. I do agree that Hartnell is the better offensive player on paper. And also how well Umberger rebounds from an off year last season. So I think we just have to wait and see.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:23 PM ET
so that's a no.
- hammarby31


I haven't heard anything yet. This may be the end for him.

wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:23 PM ET
look at this beaut that when up for bid today

http://www.classicauction...63&auctionid=79&lotid=887
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:24 PM ET
OMG: Hartnell trade talk!

I don't care why the trade was made or how it plays out over time honestly. It all comes down to not getting value for Hartnell at the time of the trade. Plain and simple the only people I have seen even play with the idea that it was a fair return are Flyers fans. The media smirks and makes comments about it: one example- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrQkzuScxuM

Fans of other clubs are brutally attacking about it (as expected). But if you are not a Flyers fan it is painfully obviously that the trade was ugly. I guess we will wait for December to truly make the first evaluation and then again in 3 years when RJs contract is up. I'm hoping I am wrong but it doesn't really matter, what maters is that value was not realized at the time of the trade. I have to be honest, I am holding it against Hexy.

- coffee junkie


i wanted hartnell gone, and i've said from the beginning i'm fine with the return. more versatile, much more disciplined, better skater, better defensively, fewer years. other guys can step up and replace hartnell's production.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:24 PM ET
so that's a no.
- hammarby31

But that mustache screams yes!
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 7 @ 1:26 PM ET
i think bunny will have a good year.
- hammarby31

yup

what are you expecting from Del Zotto?
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:26 PM ET
i wanted hartnell gone, and i've said from the beginning i'm fine with the return. more versatile, much more disciplined, better skater, better defensively, fewer years. other guys can step up and replace hartnell's production.
- hammarby31

I'm over it, I said my peace. I disagree with the vocal HBers. I'm personally rooting for both of them this year.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:28 PM ET
yup

what are you expecting from Del Zotto?

- Marc D


i have no clue...but if i have to lean good or bad, i'll choose bad. my gut says he won't rebound. i hope i'm wrong.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:28 PM ET
But that mustache screams yes!
- coffee junkie


hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:29 PM ET
look at this beaut that when up for bid today

http://www.classicauction...63&auctionid=79&lotid=887

- wilsonecho91


that is a beaut. i love those eagle made mid-80s jerseys.
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