He needs to go to Rochester and prove he can keep this level of play consistent over the course of at least a month or so. The only person he should be mad at is himself for not coming in with the right attitude 2 years ago.
- HonkFortheGoose

I don't think it has anything to do with 2 years ago as there is a new coach/GM and opportunity was knocking this time around. I hope you're right that he tears it up down in Rochester and shows that management made the wrong decision in sending him down.

Btw, Grigorenko ended up with two points this preseason: 1 goal, 1 assist.

Reinhart had one: 1 goal.

In other words, if someone buries a pass Reinhart makes, we're at a completely level playing field. Of course, it works both ways, but the difference between the two really isn't that great.

What doesn't help Grigorenko (again, if the competition is in fact between the two) is the fact that Reinhart has a 1 shot window at his nine game try-out. Grigorenko can come back up from Rochester at any time. Once Reinhart is in Juniors, he can't come back.

I can see your point, but i think grigorenko's a lot mentally tougher than we believe, guess we'll see.




Edit: or not


Grigorenko's facebook status: "...."
- Sabresfan-365

I don't think this really indicates anything about his mental toughness. Obviously, the kid is going to be disappointed.

From the games i've seen from the development camp through today Reinharts improved with each game. He does look like a stick man out there (needs some bigger shin pads or something lol *jokes*). But seriously he hasn't made many mistakes.

IMO do i think his play has earned the number 2 center? Probably not
But i do think the progress he has made has at least earned him the consideration for a serious chance.

For Grigo: There's positives for both him staying and being sent down. I guess the chance for him to play top line minutes will help me get over the merks trip.
- yen6d1

I will say Reinhart has improved, however the big difference between the 2 players IMO is the fact that Grigorenko has created some opportunities on his own as opposed to letting them come to him. Reinhart has been tentative in that respect, which is understandable

And as far as the preaching "earning jobs" goes, coaches and executives are always prone to double-speak. Murray and Nolan are no different, nor will they ever be. It's simply the nature of the industry. Nobody's immune to administrative limitations.

Grigo...
- drexel

Another informed well though out post from a Ranger's fan . Please fell free to come back when you actually have a clue of what is going on . How many times did Kreider go up and down ?

I will say Reinhart has improved, however the big difference between the 2 players IMO is the fact that Grigorenko has created some opportunities on his own as opposed to letting them come to him. Reinhart has been tentative in that respect, which is understandable
- sbroads24

Which begs the question, though: is that really something that can be improved in the WHL? If it's all about the "speed of the game" for Reinhart, the only way that improves is in the NHL (or possibly the AHL, which isn't an option). The skills are all there with Reinhart. If he needed to work on something tangible, like his skating, his shot, defensive game, etc., then this would be a different argument.

And as far as the preaching "earning jobs" goes, coaches and executives are always prone to double-speak. Murray and Nolan are no different, nor will they ever be. It's simply the nature of the industry. Nobody's immune to administrative limitations.
- buffalofan19

what do you mean by "administrative limitations?"

Which begs the question, though: is that really something that can be improved in the WHL? If it's all about the "speed of the game" for Reinhart, the only way that improves is in the NHL (or possibly the AHL, which isn't an option). The skills are all there with Reinhart. If he needed to work on something tangible, like his skating, his shot, defensive game, etc., then this would be a different argument.
- buffalofan19

you are missing the most important aspect, what came out of this camp is that he's not physically ready for the rigors of the nhl

I just think it was the wrong move. In my view, he earned his spot on the roster.
- mhp

Here's my question to you about this, because I feel the same way for the most part. But what keeps me from freaking out about it is figuring out who to take out of the lineup (other than Reinhart) to make room for him.

Hodgson?
Ennis?
Stewart?
Foligno?
Moulson?
Stafford?
Girgensons?

It doesn't make sense to take out one of the 4th liners either, because that's not a role that's going to suit him anyway. At that point, he's better off going to Rochester to be "the guy."

I think he earned a spot, at least to start the season, but I just don't know who to take out to make room for him.

what do you mean by "administrative limitations?"
- Michael Pachla

Transfer rules, salary cap (though that's not relevant in this case), roster limitations, etc.

There's always the concept of "making things work if a player is exceptional", but right now, that's not the case with either player.

Here's my question to you about this, because I feel the same way for the most part. But what keeps me from freaking out about it is figuring out who to take out of the lineup (other than Reinhart) to make room for him.

Hodgson?
Ennis?
Stewart?
Foligno?
Moulson?
Stafford?
Girgensons?

It doesn't make sense to take out one of the 4th liners either, because that's not a role that's going to suit him anyway. At that point, he's better off going to Rochester to be "the guy."

I think he earned a spot, at least to start the season, but I just don't know who to take out to make room for him.
- HonkFortheGoose

While I agree in principle, we're talking about a team that really doesn't have that high expectations as far as the win column is concerned. Like I said above, if Grigorenko had been exceptional, not just "really improved", they'd figure out a way to make it work. That's not the case here, though.

Here's my question to you about this, because I feel the same way for the most part. But what keeps me from freaking out about it is figuring out who to take out of the lineup (other than Reinhart) to make room for him.

Hodgson?
Ennis?
Stewart?
Foligno?
Moulson?
Stafford?
Girgensons?

It doesn't make sense to take out one of the 4th liners either, because that's not a role that's going to suit him anyway. At that point, he's better off going to Rochester to be "the guy."

I think he earned a spot, at least to start the season, but I just don't know who to take out to make room for him.
- HonkFortheGoose

Could be they never expected Grigo to show up like he did and he wasn't figured to be on the roster this season. Now they had to make tough decisions. Reinhart should get the 9 games . We wil see if he adapts or not.

Here's my question to you about this, because I feel the same way for the most part. But what keeps me from freaking out about it is figuring out who to take out of the lineup (other than Reinhart) to make room for him.

Hodgson?
Ennis?
Stewart?
Foligno?
Moulson?
Stafford?
Girgensons?

It doesn't make sense to take out one of the 4th liners either, because that's not a role that's going to suit him anyway. At that point, he's better off going to Rochester to be "the guy."

I think he earned a spot, at least to start the season, but I just don't know who to take out to make room for him.
- HonkFortheGoose

If, and I emphasize if, Grigorenko keeps his play up in Rochester, I see him getting the slot over Larsson when he is healthy. This is also barring that Reinhart does not come out guns blazing making it very difficult to send him down. I don't think that will happen and I, like many, see Reinhart being sent back to Junior after 9 games.

Here's my question to you about this, because I feel the same way for the most part. But what keeps me from freaking out about it is figuring out who to take out of the lineup (other than Reinhart) to make room for him.

Hodgson?
Ennis?
Stewart?
Foligno?
Moulson?
Stafford?
Girgensons?

It doesn't make sense to take out one of the 4th liners either, because that's not a role that's going to suit him anyway. At that point, he's better off going to Rochester to be "the guy."

I think he earned a spot, at least to start the season, but I just don't know who to take out to make room for him.
- HonkFortheGoose

My quick answer would be to send Reinhart back so your center group would be Ennis, Grigo, Girgs and McCormick. Just going off the top of my head and not looking at any roster list. I hope that answers your question.

Moulson-Ennis-Stafford
Hodgson-Grigorenko-Gionta
Foligno-Girgs-Stewart
Deslauriers-Cody-Flynn/Mitchell

Transfer rules, salary cap (though that's not relevant in this case), roster limitations, etc.

There's always the concept of "making things work if a player is exceptional", but right now, that's not the case with either player.
- buffalofan19

none of that has any bearing in this particular situation, save for the chl/nhl agreement on u-20's...

if you're saying that the organization was essentially feeding it's players a bunch of bull when they talked about competition, that's highly possible...that they may have been exposed isn't really something to brush off at this stage of the game...

again, playing devil's advocate

Could be they never expected Grigo to show up like he did and he wasn't figured to be on the roster this season. Now they had to make tough decisions. Reinhart should get the 9 games . We wil see if he adapts or not.
- cabin

if he couldn't fully adapt playing a mix of youngin's, borderline nhl'ers and full-time nhl'ers, how much can he do against a full team of (mostly) legit nhl'ers?

if he couldn't fully adapt playing a mix of youngin's, borderline nhl'ers and full-time nhl'ers, how much can he do against a full team of (mostly) legit nhl'ers?
- Michael Pachla

Learning experience ? Something to build on would be my guess.

Here's my question to you about this, because I feel the same way for the most part. But what keeps me from freaking out about it is figuring out who to take out of the lineup (other than Reinhart) to make room for him.

Hodgson?
Ennis?
Stewart?
Foligno?
Moulson?
Stafford?
Girgensons?

It doesn't make sense to take out one of the 4th liners either, because that's not a role that's going to suit him anyway. At that point, he's better off going to Rochester to be "the guy."

I think he earned a spot, at least to start the season, but I just don't know who to take out to make room for him.
- HonkFortheGoose

couldn't agree more

My quick answer would be to send Reinhart back so your center group would be Ennis, Grigo, Girgs and McCormick. Just going off the top of my head and not looking at any roster list. I hope that answers your question.

Moulson-Ennis-Stafford
Hodgson-Grigorenko-Gionta
Foligno-Girgs-Stewart
Deslauriers-Cody-Flynn/Mitchell
- mhp

It doesn't answer my question, because I specifically said "Not Reinhart." Grigorenko got his chance a few years ago, so why shouldn't Reinhart get his now because Grigorenko decided he needed to be better this year? It's not fair to Reinhart. So for everyone clamoring about how this isn't fair for Grigorenko, why is it fair to send Reinhart down without getting his shot?

Grigorenko can come back up at any point this season. If they send Reinhart down now, he cannot come back from Jr until his team has finished their season.

none of that has any bearing in this particular situation, save for the chl/nhl agreement on u-20's...

if you're saying that the organization was essentially feeding it's players a bunch of bull when they talked about competition, that's highly possible...that they may have been exposed isn't really something to brush off at this stage of the game...

again, playing devil's advocate
- Michael Pachla

But were they? Who has underperformed in preseason that hasn't already been sent back? Who's spot should he have gotten? Sure, you could probably take out a guy like McCormick, but do you want Grigorenko on the 4th line?

if he couldn't fully adapt playing a mix of youngin's, borderline nhl'ers and full-time nhl'ers, how much can he do against a full team of (mostly) legit nhl'ers?
- Michael Pachla

Some players play better with better players around them. Some players play better when the games actually matter (and it's not always about laziness either).

Like I said, I like what Grigorenko's done, but ultimately, I'm not sure this team is that much better or worse with him in the lineup instead of Reinhart.

Also going off this "Earn it and it's yours" training camp i was surprised to McCabe go down. Thought that with pysyk getting injured he proved to be at least one of the top 6 d on the current roster. I know this is extremely bold but he reminds me of a
ryan mcdonagh the way he plays. Not flashy but still productive in all zones of the rink . Sad to see them go... but on a selfish note im pumped to watch them this friday and saturday in rochester

I think it also expires during RFA year, gives CBJ some control.
- Sabresfan-365

That would be the dumbest thing ever...another chance for this damn mess??? Ugh.

extremely bold
- yen6d1

Pun intended?