that is some brilliant (frank)ing logic right there
- DoubleDown

dude, even your location is top notch intelligence!

LOL... en then he scores...poor Price.
- PtotheY

I'm sure you would take Price over any of the guys on your roster... beside Karlsson of course...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Bobby Ryan is a first line winger on many teams in the NHL.
- ChetManly

Definitely not all, as claimed.

Im not dissing the fact that Ottawa signed Bobby Ryan to a long term contract. Im saying it's unfortunate they had no choice but to invest so much into him, because at best, given his production so far in his career, hes worth 5.5 - 6 mil. He has talent but, unless you've got your fan vision on, he has underachieved his entire career. Like I said, you can make excuses for his play last year, but if he struggles to break the 50 point barrier with added pressure and little supporting cast, your stuck with a whale of a contract and an untradable commodity.

Im not dissing the fact that Ottawa signed Bobby Ryan to a long term contract. Im saying it's unfortunate they had no choice but to invest so much into him, because at best, given his production so far in his career, hes worth 5.5 - 6 mil. He has talent but, unless you've got your fan vision on, he has underachieved his entire career. Like I said, you can make excuses for his play last year, but if he struggles to break the 50 point barrier with added pressure and little supporting cast, your stuck with a whale of a contract and an untradable commodity.
- Justman1000

This can be said about anyone signed for more than 4 years who underachieves.


Unless of course you're the Rangers and the player is Scott Gomez.

Congrats to the Sens

Definitely not all, as claimed.
- prock

I would say the majority of NHL teams would see him as a first line winger IMO.

I disagree with your assessment of his talent. I think he's going to struggle to get 50 points on a team with no talent, and I think there are a handful of teams where he would not be on the first line.
- Justman1000

Ryan is a lock for 25 goals 25 assists.. At the end of the day the Sens had to sign their best forward to an extension. He WOULD'VE gotten $8.0 mill on the open market.

Definitely not all, as claimed.
- prock

that's become such an arbitrary statement. first liner. 30 goal wingers are first liners. it's as simple as that. the only debate is whether you think Ryan is still a 30-goal guy whose had 2 rough years, or if you think he's finished as top goal producer.

This can be said about anyone signed for more than 4 years who underachieves.


Unless of course you're the Rangers and the player is Scott Gomez.
- Charliebox

True. But most players dont receive monster contracts after less than stellar years. Players underachieve after a contract is signed frequently. Not often do they do it before.

I would say the majority of NHL teams would see him as a first line winger IMO.
- RobFlyers#1

That’s probably accurate. 16 teams would constitute a majority, and there are probably somewhere between 20 and 25 that he’d be first line on.

Ryan was an RFA, Clarkson was a UFA.

The Ryan deal compares more to the Kessel deal, which makes phils 8 mil per look like a bargain
- GardinerExpress

Ryan is a lock for 25 goals 25 assists.. At the end of the day the Sens had to sign their best forward to an extension. He WOULD'VE gotten $8.0 mill on the open market.
- Erik6Karlsson5

i think expectations for him should be higher, especially with this new deal.
only problem with this deal is that Ryan will turn 29 in the first year of the deal.
this is why GMs want guys signing bridge deals and not signing long term out of their ELCs.

True. But most players dont receive monster contracts after less than stellar years. Players underachieve after a contract is signed frequently. Not often do they do it before.
- Justman1000

is this really considered a monster contract anymore?

i don't even think its that much money when you see the deals being handed out...

that's become such an arbitrary statement. first liner. 30 goal wingers are first liners. it's as simple as that. the only debate is whether you think Ryan is still a 30-goal guy whose had 2 rough years, or if you think he's finished as top goal producer.
- DoubleDown

I think he’s probably good for about 25 goals, 55 to 60 points, for the next few years in Ottawa.

But I didn't make the statement, so if you take issue with it, go talk to the Sens fan incorrectly claiming he'd be first line on every team in the league.

That’s probably accurate. 16 teams would constitute a majority, and there are probably somewhere between 20 and 25 that he’d be first line on.
- prock

True.

Ryan is a lock for 25 goals 25 assists.. At the end of the day the Sens had to sign their best forward to an extension. He WOULD'VE gotten $8.0 mill on the open market.
- Erik6Karlsson5

I agree they had to sign him. I disagree that he would have gotten 8 on the open market. But thats just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to theirs. I'm saying its unfortunate the Bobby Ryan is their best option. Hes not the type of player you build a team around. But that's the type of money you pay someone you are building your team around.

is this really considered a monster contract anymore?

i don't even think its that much money when you see the deals being handed out...
- TheMike12

Its not a monster contract for an elite player. I don't consider Bobby Ryan to be in this category. Flashes of brilliance is about the best way to describe his play.

Definitely not all, as claimed.
- prock

what exatly does that prove.......guys giroux, tavares, kopitar, etc wouldn't be a top line centers on maybe 4-5 teams in the NHL, guess that means they aren't top line centers......hell, they wouldn't even be in the top six in pitt, so maybe they're bottom six quality players.

Its not a monster contract for an elite player. I don't consider Bobby Ryan to be in this category. Flashes of brilliance is about the best way to describe his play.
- Justman1000

4 straight 30 goal seasons, and 23 goals while playing injured and missing 10-15games = "flashes of brilliance".

how's that 7.5 for letang working out for you by the way

Its not a monster contract for an elite player. I don't consider Bobby Ryan to be in this category. Flashes of brilliance is about the best way to describe his play.
- Justman1000

i think hes exactly the kind of player that would get this kind of money in todays market..i have no issue with the deal.

this will obviously be an important year for him..hes had 2 seasons where his production was down due to sickness and injuries..so if hes 100% healthy this season he needs to show he can put up numbers..im confident he can.

also the top line argument is stupid, prock just grasping to argue whatever he can...hes a top 6 guy on any team right now, and as has been said hes top 3 on probably 75% of the teams right now.

what exatly does that prove.......guys giroux, tavares, kopitar, etc wouldn't be a top line centers on maybe 4-5 teams in the NHL, guess that means they aren't top line centers......hell, they wouldn't even be in the top six in pitt, so maybe they're bottom six quality players.


- sensarmy_11

I don't know what it proves. If you take issue with it, ask the guy that the posted the erroneous idea in the first place.

I agree they had to sign him. I disagree that he would have gotten 8 on the open market. But thats just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to theirs. I'm saying its unfortunate the Bobby Ryan is their best option. Hes not the type of player you build a team around. But that's the type of money you pay someone you are building your team around.
- Justman1000

He absolutely would have reached 8 IMO. David Clarkson received 5.25 with one 30 goal fluke season. Ryan has broke 30 goals four times and had 23 last season which I think had a lot to do with overall health and team play. As for money. The money being handed out is crazy. I know contracts are rising and I like Toews and Kane but personally I think anyone who makes more or has a higher cap hit than Crosby is overpaid but that's my opinion.

Definitely not all, as claimed.
- prock

Not all, but most. He can easily play on the first line for all teams, but given current rosters of certain teams, he would be more suited for a 1B line winger role.

i think hes exactly the kind of player that would get this kind of money in todays market..i have no issue with the deal.

this will obviously be an important year for him..hes had 2 seasons where his production was down due to sickness and injuries..so if hes 100% healthy this season he needs to show he can put up numbers..im confident he can.

also the top line argument is stupid, prock just grasping to argue whatever he can...hes a top 6 guy on any team right now, and as has been said hes top 3 on probably 75% of the teams right now.
- TheMike12

It wasn't my stupid argument. Go discuss the 20 to 25 teams he'd be first line on, with the Sens fan that incorrectly claimed he'd be first line on every team in the league.

Which, by the way, is silly given how much Sens fans try to argue that he was producing offense all on his own, on the second line, in Anaheim.