Pastrnak has skill etc but seriously, he'll get whaled on at NHL level even if he only plays the first 9-10 games

Pastrnak has skill etc but seriously, he'll get whaled on at NHL level even if he only plays the first 9-10 games
- 2rough2celly

Plenty of kids his size that do fine, and he does play against men in Sweden, so I think it's too early to say he can't do it. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if he needs a year or two to get some "Man Strength"

I disagree with just giving a roster spot no matter where on the roster it is because a kid is promising offensively. I don't think Spooner is an ideal fit on a 4th line and I'm not positive it actually does anything for his development when he could be playing 19 minutes a night in all situations in Providence. Likewise with Koko. Like it or not, certain lines, certain positions on the roster have certain roles on the team. And an undersized center who has trouble in defensive zone coverage, doesn't have the strength to win battles down low and isn't using his elite speed to get on the backcheck isn't a good fit for a 4th line you want to roll out regularly that can safely manage the puck in their own end and generate possession in the offensive end. If he's playing on the 4th line, he doesn't have linemates who are going to put the puck in for him and he hasn't shown he can do it on his own. Campbell had a poop year last season, and he might be cooked, but up until that point he was arguably one of the best 4C's in the league and one that plenty of teams would love to have as 3C nevermind on the 4th line. That doesn't mean there aren't better options but I don't think Spooner or Koko are it. Hell I'd put Lindblad or Cunningham in that spot before Spooner or Koko.
- Double_A

I'm simply at the point where I've seen enough of Spooner lighting it up in the AHL. This shows me nothing, really. If he's gonna make an impact at this point, it needs to be with the Bruins and learning how to develop in this system. And I still have no idea what the Bruins actually have in this kid, and I don't think many of us do. It really just seems pointless to have him waste away in the minors and hope that a top-six center sustains an injury so that they can see him in an ideal role.

Having him learn how to be a complete player on an NHL bottom-six isn't the worst thing that could happen to him. Getting stuck in the malaise of being that much better than your AHL competition on a nightly basis, however, could hurt his growth.

I'm simply at the point where I've seen enough of Spooner lighting it up in the AHL. This shows me nothing, really. If he's gonna make an impact at this point, it needs to be with the Bruins and learning how to develop in this system. And I still have no idea what the Bruins actually have in this kid, and I don't think many of us do. It really just seems pointless to have him waste away in the minors and hope that a top-six center sustains an injury so that they can see him in an ideal role.

Having him learn how to be a complete player on an NHL bottom-six isn't the worst thing that could happen to him. Getting stuck in the malaise of being that much better than your AHL competition on a nightly basis, however, could hurt his growth.
- tyanderson

People are making it sound like he's friggin Gretzky playing in an Adult Safe League. It's not like he's tearing the league apart. There are plenty of players who score at a better clip than him and play a more complete game that aren't getting looks in the NHL. At least I haven't heard much outrage over Travis Morin not getting his NHL shot. There are things he needs to improve on, and the AHL is the EXACT place for him to work on them. That's the whole bloody purpose of that league.

People are making it sound like he's friggin Gretzky playing in an Adult Safe League. It's not like he's tearing the league apart. There are plenty of players who score at a better clip than him and play a more complete game that aren't getting looks in the NHL. At least I haven't heard much outrage over Travis Morin not getting his NHL shot. There are things he needs to improve on, and the AHL is the EXACT place for him to work on them. That's the whole bloody purpose of that league.
- Double_A

I really don't get all the hate against Spooner........he is a point per game player in the AHL.....
AND, here is the other kicker........
He has 11 POINTS IN 23 NHL GAMES.......!

So let's play Caron and Robin, who would be lucky to have that many points in a whole season!

Interestingly none of those players have won a single god damn thing while the Bruins have been the most successful team in the East since their departure.
- Double_A

Brilliant argument for not making a change and keep doing the same damn thing!

The New England Patriots are the most successful NFL team of the last DECADE..........how is that going for Billy Old School Belichick???

As a coach and GM you need to adapt.....AND I'm not saying Spooner or Koko do that for this team.

BUT....why are we not going to do anything different from last year and the year before?

Our fourth line has hurt us last year and against Chicago........sooooooo......change NOTHING!

People are making it sound like he's friggin Gretzky playing in an Adult Safe League. It's not like he's tearing the league apart. There are plenty of players who score at a better clip than him and play a more complete game that aren't getting looks in the NHL. At least I haven't heard much outrage over Travis Morin not getting his NHL shot. There are things he needs to improve on, and the AHL is the EXACT place for him to work on them. That's the whole bloody purpose of that league.
- Double_A

So let's toss the points out the window and focus on the development then. The Bruins want him to develop into a more complete player. Where's that gonna happen: On their bottom-six where he's forced to learn how to play in both ends, or in Providence where he's used as a No. 1 center that shoulders the offensive responsibilities of the team? We're hitting the point where he's gonna flat-line his development in the A.

So let's toss the points out the window and focus on the development then. The Bruins want him to develop into a more complete player. Where's that gonna happen: On their bottom-six where he's forced to learn how to play in both ends, or in Providence where he's used as a No. 1 center that shoulders the offensive responsibilities of the team? We're hitting the point where he's gonna flat-line his development in the A.
- tyanderson

If only we had one of the best two way hockey players in the world on our team to teach him a trick or two.......sucks that we don't have a player/leader that could help in his development.......

Wasn't Savard female doged out about his lack of two way play originally....?
Hmmmmm......didn't he improve.....and who was the coach that taught him?
Bergeron was a 30 goal scorer and a MINUS player.......who taught him to be such a great two way player.....magic?

Sick of these arguments......

So let's toss the points out the window and focus on the development then. The Bruins want him to develop into a more complete player. Where's that gonna happen: On their bottom-six where he's forced to learn how to play in both ends, or in Providence where he's used as a No. 1 center that shoulders the offensive responsibilities of the team? We're hitting the point where he's gonna flat-line his development in the A.
- tyanderson

He's not going to be a 4th line mucker in the NHL so why not let him develop the 2 way game in the role he will play eventually which is a top 6 forward. The brass has said and Spooner has acknowledged that they've repeatedly told him he needs to improve on certain things and he still hasn't gotten there at the AHL level. So if he's not doing it there, why would he do it in the NHL level? It's not like he can't (frank)ing backcheck playing 1st line minutes in the AHL, the argument is ridiculous.

Brilliant argument for not making a change and keep doing the same damn thing!

The New England Patriots are the most successful NFL team of the last DECADE..........how is that going for Billy Old School Belichick???

As a coach and GM you need to adapt.....AND I'm not saying Spooner or Koko do that for this team.

BUT....why are we not going to do anything different from last year and the year before?

Our fourth line has hurt us last year and against Chicago........sooooooo......change NOTHING!
- JIwasinskiJr

Actually, that was an argument for moving players.

Against Chicago ... you mean where they got to within 2 wins of a 2nd cup in 3 years? Yeah that 4th line really dragged down the team.

The Bruins fanbase has gone full Simple Jack this offseason

If you'd read anything I actually wrote, I'm all in favour of fresh blood. I'm just not completely blind to the fact that any "new guy" is better than what we've already got. Have Cunningham play 4C, trade Spooner for a piece that actually fills a need ... I'm all for it. But blindly screaming "YARGH CLOOODE LOVES HIS VETS SOOO MUCH Y HE NOT PLAY THE KIDS >>> WED WIN FOR SURE" is about as irrational as it gets.

Actually, that was an argument for moving players.

Against Chicago ... you mean where they got to within 2 wins of a 2nd cup in 3 years? Yeah that 4th line really dragged down the team.

The Bruins fanbase has gone full Simple Jack this offseason

If you'd read anything I actually wrote, I'm all in favour of fresh blood. I'm just not completely blind to the fact that any "new guy" is better than what we've already got. Have Cunningham play 4C, trade Spooner for a piece that actually fills a need ... I'm all for it. But blindly screaming "YARGH CLOOODE LOVES HIS VETS SOOO MUCH Y HE NOT PLAY THE KIDS >>> WED WIN FOR SURE" is about as irrational as it gets.
- Double_A

My bad....I didn't realize that Cunningham is such a better player.

You know what Cunningham is....? A Greg Campbell.

You know what Robins is...? A Shawn Thorton.

And when do we as a fan base start to say "hey, maybe we should play the talent instead of being stubborn and refusing to adapt."

LOOK AT THE PATRIOTS......all hail Billy The Genius......eventually PASSING ON ALL THIS TALENT IS GOING TO BURN US!!!!

Boston fans drinking the kool aid.....AGAIN!

Same fans that want to let Krejic walk and fill the TOP CENTER ROLE WITH TALENT FROM WITHIN........but with talent that they now say isn't good enough to play on the fourth line!

Savard.....Kessel.....Seguin.....Wheeler.....Sabotka.....all players that CJ didn't like and some are SUPERSTARS and some are at least good solid players.

Only team in the NHL that HATES point per game production.

He's not going to be a 4th line mucker in the NHL so why not let him develop the 2 way game in the role he will play eventually which is a top 6 forward. The brass has said and Spooner has acknowledged that they've repeatedly told him he needs to improve on certain things and he still hasn't gotten there at the AHL level. So if he's not doing it there, why would he do it in the NHL level? It's not like he can't (frank)ing backcheck playing 1st line minutes in the AHL, the argument is ridiculous.
- Double_A

There's just a difference in our philosophies, I suppose. He's not going to be a fourth-line mucker in the NHL, I agree, but this system requires versatility. Just feel like he'll improve in those areas way more in Boston than he will in Providence. The voice in Boston gives me much more confidence than the voice in Providence. Also, this is the only player I can really remember getting absolutely buried and sheltered from a lesser role than his potential dictates, and I think it's frustrating. Gonna have to see what he is at some point.

I disagree with just giving a roster spot no matter where on the roster it is because a kid is promising offensively. I don't think Spooner is an ideal fit on a 4th line and I'm not positive it actually does anything for his development when he could be playing 19 minutes a night in all situations in Providence. Likewise with Koko. Like it or not, certain lines, certain positions on the roster have certain roles on the team. And an undersized center who has trouble in defensive zone coverage, doesn't have the strength to win battles down low and isn't using his elite speed to get on the backcheck isn't a good fit for a 4th line you want to roll out regularly that can safely manage the puck in their own end and generate possession in the offensive end. If he's playing on the 4th line, he doesn't have linemates who are going to put the puck in for him and he hasn't shown he can do it on his own. Campbell had a poop year last season, and he might be cooked, but up until that point he was arguably one of the best 4C's in the league and one that plenty of teams would love to have as 3C nevermind on the 4th line. That doesn't mean there aren't better options but I don't think Spooner or Koko are it. Hell I'd put Lindblad or Cunningham in that spot before Spooner or Koko.
- Double_A

i think i love you

Only team in the NHL that HATES point per game production.
- JIwasinskiJr

WTF are you talking about?

Actually, that was an argument for moving players.

Against Chicago ... you mean where they got to within 2 wins of a 2nd cup in 3 years? Yeah that 4th line really dragged down the team.

The Bruins fanbase has gone full Simple Jack this offseason

If you'd read anything I actually wrote, I'm all in favour of fresh blood. I'm just not completely blind to the fact that any "new guy" is better than what we've already got. Have Cunningham play 4C, trade Spooner for a piece that actually fills a need ... I'm all for it. But blindly screaming "YARGH CLOOODE LOVES HIS VETS SOOO MUCH Y HE NOT PLAY THE KIDS >>> WED WIN FOR SURE" is about as irrational as it gets.
- Double_A

(frank)in maddening isnt it?

Boston fans drinking the kool aid.....AGAIN!

Same fans that want to let Krejic walk and fill the TOP CENTER ROLE WITH TALENT FROM WITHIN........but with talent that they now say isn't good enough to play on the fourth line!

Savard.....Kessel.....Seguin.....Wheeler.....Sabotka.....all players that CJ didn't like and some are SUPERSTARS and some are at least good solid players.
- JIwasinskiJr

You really love Capital letters

I hear that CJ didn't like Savard so much that he paid Cooke to concuss him... TRUE STORY

(frank)in maddening isnt it?
- Fountain-San

I can't wait until the HB Reckoning when you and I are the only heathen Bruin fans left in this godforsaken place

I can't wait until the HB Reckoning when you and I are the only heathen Bruin fans left in this godforsaken place
- Double_A

I feel betrayed

I can't wait until the HB Reckoning when you and I are the only heathen Bruin fans left in this godforsaken place
- Double_A

WTF are you talking about?
- Fountain-San

Who are the last Point per game players we have had as a team that we traded away........?

Thorton.....Kessel.....Seguin......

And since I've been watching the bruins for awhile.....it was a FACT that CJ got into battles with SAVARD over his his two way play. Google it for old articles.

Have you watched the start of the second "behind the B's" series on NESN?

The front office was talking about adding speed and skill like crazy. I'm not making this crap up.

Do you read any other articles besides making simple minded one liners on hockeybuzz either? Because even CJ has admitted he needs to change the game style and add more speed and a little more risk to the game....it was a WEEI.COM article by DJ Bean I believe.

You really love Capital letters

I hear that CJ didn't like Savard so much that he paid Cooke to concuss him... TRUE STORY
- MrBeanTown

It's almost like the Bs fans are turning into the Vancouver trolls we all hate so very much with dumb ass comments like these.

If you do not know the CJ/Savard issues they had then you haven't been watching for all the long.

(frank)in maddening isnt it?
- Fountain-San

Aren't you the same guy that wanted to trade Krejic to sign Jonny Rocket and was saying a number one/two center could be replaced from within.....?

Who are the last Point per game players we have had as a team that we traded away........?

Thorton.....Kessel.....Seguin......

And since I've been watching the bruins for awhile.....it was a FACT that CJ got into battles with SAVARD over his his two way play. Google it for old articles.

Have you watched the start of the second "behind the B's" series on NESN?

The front office was talking about adding speed and skill like crazy. I'm not making this crap up.

Do you read any other articles besides making simple minded one liner on hockeybuzz either? Because even CJ has admitted he needs to change the game style and add more speed and a little more risk to the game....it was a WEEI.COM article by DJ Bean I believe.
- JIwasinskiJr

fine they want to get faster. does that mean just insert a player that isn't ready?

and who gives a (frank) if a guy is a point per game guy. don't you want to win? aren't appreciative of the fact that they have a system in place that in the last 4 seasons produced a cup, another finals appearance and a presidents trophy. and i'll head you off at the pass, i know the PT isn't great after a 2nd round loss to the Habs, BUT (i'll type like you) they were the best team in the league last year. have you seen the stats for +/- last year? you should take a look as they are very telling.

the fact that you lament the los of the lazy, immature, or just apathetic players that we traded is telling too. it wasn't seguins drinking, he would not buy in. kessel refused to play in his own end, thornton's attitude was that of a stoner surfer. you want guys like that? cuz they can skate? (frank) that. it's hockey bro, at the highest level.

all this team has done under Julien is win and (frank)ing simpletons like you don't even realize what you have. enjoy it. the bruins will be a great team this year. quit screaming from the roof tops about all these non existent problems that the Bruins have. (frank)ing eh man. and i'm simple minded?

PLAY SPOOONER, JUST LET THE KIDS PLAY!!! WHY DOES CLOOOODE LOVE THE VETS SO MUCH!!!????

to be honest you sound like a know nothing moron bro. but hey go bruins right?