here....we....go......again.

Oh my.
- Scabeh

#BurgerCraving

#BurgerCraving
- Aetherial

#Cronutburgercraving

It's his birthday. Surprise bday lap dance from bozak.
- MCharisma91

- Aetherial

#bozakburgercraving

he had the COD itch

he had the COD itch
- Lucas Neilson

@jonasTSN1050: Carlyle says Kessel left the ice feeling stiff. Couldn't specify what the issue was.

At the heart of the stats

Corsi = shots on goal + missed shots + blocked shots
Fenwick = shots on goal + missed shots

Then we calculate for and against. We might also look a relative Corsi/Fenwick compared to our teammates to adjust for team/coaching bias. We might also look at situational Corsi/Fenwick numbers to dissect further.

At the end of the day, it is based on Shots on Goal, which has been around a lot longer than +/-. Add in blocked shots (Corsi), which is about as old as +/- and then missed shots (not sure how old that stat is).

You are INFERRING possession from these numbers, not calculating actual possession, or how often possession is given away, or how often possession is taken away or fundamental mistakes made etc. etc. etc.

So, yeah, your new phone might be a touchtone phone the same size and shape as the old rotaries, but let's not pretend you're comparing your new iPhone to your grandma's rotary here.

We have a long way to go and I don't see where we have come very far at all.
- Aetherial

the way teams and the stats nerds are using and applying the stats has come a long way.

I have to disagree again

@jonasTSN1050: Carlyle says Kessel left the ice feeling stiff. Couldn't specify what the issue was.
- MCharisma91

So many jokes.

@jonasTSN1050: Carlyle says Kessel left the ice feeling stiff. Couldn't specify what the issue was.
- MCharisma91

Proof it was the Bozak lap dance he was looking forward to...well done Charisma.

Anyone else actually think Kessel is pretty cool?

I mean he suffered the last man selected humilation. Gets ridiculed by fans of every other team for looking like a slightly smaller version of John Daly. Gets laughed at for the bicycle riding GIF in the training room. Deals with the absurd Toronto fans and media. Labelled as a one-way player (probably justified) called soft, when he misses very few games

... and yet he doesn't seem to really give a sh1t about any of it. He just goes out and does his thing on the ice. I gotta admire a guy like that.

@jonasTSN1050: Carlyle says Kessel left the ice feeling stiff. Couldn't specify what the issue was.
- MCharisma91

This man love of his for Bozak needs to remain under control!

Anyone else actually think Kessel is pretty cool?

I mean he suffered the last man selected humilation. Gets ridiculed by fans of every other team for looking like a slightly smaller version of John Daly. Gets laughed at for the bicycle riding GIF in the training room. Deals with the absurd Toronto fans and media. Labelled as a one-way player (probably justified) called soft, when he misses very few games

... and yet he doesn't seem to really give a sh1t about any of it. He just goes out and does his thing on the ice. I gotta admire a guy like that.
- Aetherial

I played ball hockey with him once during the lockout year.

He's a very nice guy.

And you wouldn't guess.... he's pretty good at ball hockey.

@jonasTSN1050: Carlyle says Kessel left the ice feeling stiff. Couldn't specify what the issue was.
- MCharisma91

This man love of his for Bozak needs to remain under control!
- Scabeh

you beat me to it.

the way teams and the stats nerds are using and applying the stats has come a long way.

I have to disagree again
- senstroll

Do you deny that at the heart of the advanced stats, is still Shots directed at the goal?

Do you deny that "possession" is being inferred/assumed from these totals?

Seriously, I want to see sensors gathering information so I can see some really useful stuff indicating how well someone checks or how often someone throws the puck away in each zone...

I would love to see some advanced stats, just ones that are actually advanced.

I played ball hockey with him once during the lockout year.

He's a very nice guy.

And you wouldn't guess.... he's pretty good at ball hockey.
- Scabeh

I can say for sure I wouldn't play ball hockey against him with one of those murderous orange balls

Proof it was the Bozak lap dance he was looking forward to...well done Charisma.
- Woderwick

Do you deny that at the heart of the advanced stats, is still Shots directed at the goal?

Do you deny that "possession" is being inferred/assumed from these totals?
- Aetherial

Not again, please! They're useful to those who find usefulness in them. To those that don't care, they simply won't just start to care. End the debate.

I can say for sure I wouldn't play ball hockey against him with one of those murderous orange balls
- Aetherial

We're actually playing with those.

Thank god he didn't slap shot through everybody like a maniac.

im sure the thrill is fine

you beat me to it.
- mykokes

Yes but Wonderwick still wins.

Do you deny that at the heart of the advanced stats, is still Shots directed at the goal?

Do you deny that "possession" is being inferred/assumed from these totals?
- Aetherial

yes they are used as a proxy for possession.
there is info out there about comparing actual possession and corsi/fenwick ..that stuff has been covered

@jonasTSN1050: Carlyle says Kessel left the ice feeling stiff. Couldn't specify what the issue was.
- MCharisma91

friggin' Bozak probably pinched his butt.