Yea no difference between a former mid round pick with multiple seasons under his belt and an 18 year old with 0 games under his belt.

You're on fire
- sbroads24

So, we can't critique the play of our 2nd overall pick yet? He's hands off until when?

Why is that wrong?

A first rounder should absolutely be a franchise quarterback. If you're going to draft a guy in the first round, and pay him that kind of money (yes, rookie scale taken into consideration), then it's not unreasonable at all to expect that. You draft a player in the first round to have the biggest impact. Otherwise, they should have waited until the later rounds. With the way that draft panned out, they could have waited until the 2nd, probably 3rd round and still ended up with Manuel.
- buffalofan19

To be fair, there are many guys that are touted as 2nd and 3rd rounder's that get picked early and pan out. I have no problem where they took him. But, you are half correct. Yes a 1st rounder should be a "franchise QB" but the definition of a franchise QB is taken out of context. Andy Dalton and Joe Flacco are franchise QB's. Realistically, Manuel needs to get to their level or he is a bust IMO.

Like I have said before, Rodgers, Brees Manning etc aren't available every year. There is a reason they are considered top 5 QB's for a decade+

@caplannfl

Kyle Orton to take over as starting QB for #Bills, source confirmed

Orton will start sunday per GR

@caplannfl

Kyle Orton to take over as starting QB for #Bills, source confirmed
- Stripes77

Whodat?

So, we can't critique the play of our 2nd overall pick yet? He's hands off until when?
- GilPerreault11

He's 18 and there was always a strong chance he'd be sent back down.

Not worried, next topic.

Why is that wrong?

A first rounder should absolutely be a franchise quarterback. If you're going to draft a guy in the first round, and pay him that kind of money (yes, rookie scale taken into consideration), then it's not unreasonable at all to expect that. You draft a player in the first round to have the biggest impact. Otherwise, they should have waited until the later rounds. With the way that draft panned out, they could have waited until the 2nd, probably 3rd round and still ended up with Manuel.
- buffalofan19

it's a blanket statement without regard to the strength of the draft, where said first-rounder was picked and by whom they were picked...while I agree that they could've waited until the latter rounds to pick ej, they did get an extra pick by trading down and they selected kiko Alonso with that pick

EJ's confidence is now all but gone.

Orton will start sunday per GR
- SABRES 89

Funny timing, I just went to their site after seeing Stripes post and it's not there (yet).

it's a blanket statement without regard to the strength of the draft, where said first-rounder was picked and by whom they were picked...while I agree that they could've waited until the latter rounds to pick ej, they did get and extra pick by trading down and they selected kiko Alonso with that pick
- Michael Pachla

Bo Callahan!!

To be fair, there are many guys that are touted as 2nd and 3rd rounder's that get picked early and pan out. I have no problem where they took him. But, you are half correct. Yes a 1st rounder should be a "franchise QB" but the definition of a franchise QB is taken out of context. Andy Dalton and Joe Flacco are franchise QB's. Realistically, Manuel needs to get to their level or he is a bust IMO.

Like I have said before, Rodgers, Brees Manning etc aren't available every year. There is a reason they are considered top 5 QB's for a decade+
- sbroads24

Looks like EJ is going back to reading the How to be an NFL QB Manuel.........

And I defend Garth as well when the trolls are out of hand . When he shows his love for Grigorenko insisting he is as sure thing to make the roster this year . I bite my tongue . Stash may not like Garth. Whatever ? This all goes back to you constantly rubbing Bennett in our faces insisting what a mistake and flop Reinhart is . Don't change the subject . Hardly a time to declare any winner in the draft . I watch the games there are many things in Reinharts game I see that please me , even though he has not lit it up yet.
- Maximum Signal

I'm not declaring anyone a winner yet just providing a snapshot that for some reason is not allowed and don't tell me what I can discuss and not discuss, thanks.

So, we can't critique the play of our 2nd overall pick yet? He's hands off until when?
- GilPerreault11

There is a difference between critiquing the play of him and getting all up in arms cause the guy you picked had an article written about the nice things he as done.

How about you look at the difference in the player. Bennett is that guy who is gonna have good things written about him and then bad things when he doesn't show his potential. It's the type of player he is.

Reinhart won't have those bad articles because he isn't that flashy player that makes risks and won't work all the time. He is the steady guy that will make those around him better. You wanted Bennett we get that but if you keep coming around and posting every pat on the back article about him it's going to p!ss of a lot of people.

Whodat?
- stashu

Adam Caplan ESPN Insider

So, we can't critique the play of our 2nd overall pick yet? He's hands off until when?
- GilPerreault11

Hardly , when your agenda is transparent like yours . To keep dwelling on how we should have drafted Bennett over Reinhart . Hardly time to make that call yet . You may resume your campaign in 3 to 5 years when a better judgement can be made . Bennett may be better right now . Come back when we are a contender and Bennett has already peeked and Reinhart is becoming a star. Your agenda has become old and neither player has played a real NHL game yet.

it's a blanket statement without regard to the strength of the draft, where said first-rounder was picked and by whom they were picked...while I agree that they could've waited until the latter rounds to pick ej, they did get an extra pick by trading down and they selected kiko Alonso with that pick
- Michael Pachla

I still would've traded down.

Could've taken Long or Hopkins and used the 3rd rounder on Barkley, Nassib, or Manuel.

@caplannfl

Kyle Orton to take over as starting QB for #Bills, source confirmed
- Stripes77

Many people will be happy

Funny timing, I just went to their site after seeing Stripes post and it's not there (yet).
- stashu

Marrone just told WGR I guess

Marrone just told WGR I guess
- SABRES 89

He just went from a 4-12 or 5-11 season to a 6-10 or 7-9 season.

Many people will be happy
- GilPerreault11

And sadly disappointed when Orton of his career 58% passing percentage does just as bad or worse.

Orton is who he is a NFL backup for a reason.

I'm not declaring anyone a winner yet just providing a snapshot that for some reason is not allowed and don't tell me what I can discuss and not discuss, thanks.
- GilPerreault11

Your act is getting tired and neither player has even started their career . Bennett is wonderful . But Mr Murray thought the player that fits his plans is Reinhart . Enough already.

And sadly disappointed when Orton of his career 58% passing percentage does just as bad or worse.

Orton is who he is a NFL backup for a reason.
- Stripes77

another effigy for fans and media to burn when he fails

And sadly disappointed when Orton of his career 58% passing percentage does just as bad or worse.

Orton is who he is a NFL backup for a reason.
- Stripes77

Yea, it's desperate too. I don't trust Orton throwing 44 times either

Marrone just told WGR I guess
- SABRES 89

Can't remember who said it, may have even been you, but I think the kid deserved at least another game or two. 1/4 of an NFL season isn't enough. It's not like he was 0-4 and THE reason the team lost (based off of turnovers or horrible mistakes).

Oh well...time to see a replacement get a win or two and then slump just as bad.

Yea, it's desperate too. I don't trust Orton throwing 44 times either
- sbroads24

Let Orton call his own plays , anything has to be better than Hackett.