I'm not. But he did play primarily with Getzlaff and Perry at ES. He also saw some time on the first PP unit with them. The usage between Simmonds and Read and Ryan is starkly different and saying that Ryan is unquestionably the better goal scorer is wrong, because Ryan has had better opportunities to score than both Simmonds and Read, simply because of useage.

But if you want to just use goals scored, fine. Simmonds has outscored Ryan the last two seasons by a 44-34 margin. Read has scored 1 goal fewer in the same time frame.

In other words, Simmonds has outscored the unquestionably better goal scorer and Read has just one fewer over the past two years.
- Jsaquella

But...how you you question something that is unquestionable? Isn't that litrilly unpossible?

But...how you you question something that is unquestionable? Isn't that litrilly unpossible?
- MBFlyerfan

Completely.

I'm not. But he did play primarily with Getzlaff and Perry at ES. He also saw some time on the first PP unit with them. The usage between Simmonds and Read and Ryan is starkly different and saying that Ryan is unquestionably the better goal scorer is wrong, because Ryan has had better opportunities to score than both Simmonds and Read, simply because of useage.

But if you want to just use goals scored, fine. Simmonds has outscored Ryan the last two seasons by a 44-34 margin. Read has scored 1 goal fewer in the same time frame.

In other words, Simmonds has outscored the unquestionably better goal scorer and Read has just one fewer over the past two years.
- Jsaquella

Ryan, over his career, has just not been a very effective player on the PP.

He's also not a guy like Stamkos or OV who can get off 300-400+ SOG per year.

His SH% is consistent and solid, but nothing spectacular that would suggest he has 40-50 G's in his stick w/o a huge uptick in SOG's and/or icetime.

He's pretty much a league-average top-6 winger.

Ryan, over his career, has just not been a very effective player on the PP.

He's also not a guy like Stamkos or OV who can get off 300-400+ SOG per year.

His SH% is consistent and solid, but nothing spectacular that would suggest he has 40-50 G's in his stick w/o a huge uptick in SOG's.

He's pretty much a league-average top-6 winger.
- Tomahawk

That's my point, at least sort of. It's safe to say Ryan is a fairly consistent 30 goal scorer when used in a top line role.

I simply think that both Simmonds and Read-and probably Brayden Schenn-could easily be at or near the same level if they were used the same way Ryan is.

If that's the case, signing Ryan is kind of pointless, because they already have guys doing what he can do and they have other, far more pressing needs

That's my point, at least sort of. It's safe to say Ryan is a fairly consistent 30 goal scorer when used in a top line role.

I simply think that both Simmonds and Read-and probably Brayden Schenn-could easily be at or near the same level if they were used the same way Ryan is.

If that's the case, signing Ryan is kind of pointless, because they already have guys doing what he can do and they have other, far more pressing needs
- Jsaquella

Would you trade B. Schenn for Bobby Ryan straight up?

I'm not. But he did play primarily with Getzlaff and Perry at ES. He also saw some time on the first PP unit with them. The usage between Simmonds and Read and Ryan is starkly different and saying that Ryan is unquestionably the better goal scorer is wrong, because Ryan has had better opportunities to score than both Simmonds and Read, simply because of useage.

But if you want to just use goals scored, fine. Simmonds has outscored Ryan the last two seasons by a 44-34 margin. Read has scored 1 goal fewer in the same time frame.

In other words, Simmonds has outscored the unquestionably better goal scorer and Read has just one fewer over the past two years.
- Jsaquella

I'm not using just goal scored because if I were, that would suggest Simmonds is the best player on the Philadelphia Flyers. If you want to use Getzlaf and Perry primary as a reason why Read and Simmonds are better then Ryan offensive, we can turn to the offensive guns the Flyers have as a whole over most teams in the league. Giroux, Hartnell, Voracek, Briere, Lecavalier, Jagr, Schenn, etc.

Would you trade B. Schenn for Bobby Ryan straight up?
- GOA88

No

Leier and Powe assigned to Phantoms, Lauridsen, Manning and Gordon waived so they can be assigned to Phantoms

No
- Jsaquella

Good. me neither. Schenn is on the rise.

The pre-season from Hell, or the injury ninja, seems to have claimed Pens winger Beau Bennett. Helped off the ice in a non contact drill, not putting weight on leg per Pensblog

I simply think that both Simmonds and Read-and probably Brayden Schenn-could easily be at or near the same level if they were used the same way Ryan is.
- Jsaquella

5V5 Goals per 60min:

Bobby Ryan: 1.07
Matt Read: 1.06

Would you trade B. Schenn for Bobby Ryan straight up?
- GOA88

He's a FA after the season. You'd be trading Schenn for one year of Ryan

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 3m

Andrew Gordon, Brandon Manning and Oliver Lauridsen waived to be sent to Phantoms. Darroll Powe and Taylor Leier sent down also

It's tough because nobody ever expected Sharp to become what he is. He was never projected to be this successful. Just bad luck for us.
- GOA88

I'm not sure I buy this. Sharp excelled in the USHL and then played very well at Vermont for his first two years (nearly a PPG player freshman yr and over a PPG player his SO yr). I realize he was only a 3rd round pick, but I feel like some people had to have some indication that he had good upside. I understand there was some doubt he would reach that ceiling, but I think that trade was a perfect example of Flyers management just being impatient.

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 3m

Andrew Gordon, Brandon Manning and Oliver Lauridsen waived to be sent to Phantoms. Darroll Powe and Taylor Leier sent down also



Unquestionable moves.
- MBFlyerfan

Blair Jones still alive.

It is bad luck to some extent, because Ellison was rated by most as a similar prospect to Sharp at the time of the trade.

That said, the trade was not as much Sharp not progressing as it was Ken Hitchcock(in other words the organization) having issues with him for not developing quickly enough or not being good enough defensively.
- Jsaquella

Which is funny because Sharp is considered very solid defensively these days

EDIT: LeightyLeightLeight

Blair Jones still alive.
- Tomahawk

The island is shrinking.

Blair Jones still alive.
- Tomahawk

For now.

We need to see more PEB.

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 3m

Claude Giroux taking line rushes at 1C with Brayden Schenn at LW


All is well in the universe.

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 3m

Andrew Gordon, Brandon Manning and Oliver Lauridsen waived to be sent to Phantoms. Darroll Powe and Taylor Leier sent down also
- MBFlyerfan

I think Leirer will be on the top squad by end of year. I think him and Laughton wuth maybe rinaldo or bellamere could be a solid fourth line.

Rob Parent ‏@ReluctantSE 3m

Flyers demote Powe and Leier to Phantoms which may mean good news for Scott Laughton.

I'm not using just goal scored because if I were, that would suggest Simmonds is the best player on the Philadelphia Flyers. If you want to use Getzlaf and Perry primary as a reason why Read and Simmonds are better then Ryan offensive, we can turn to the offensive guns the Flyers have as a whole over most teams in the league. Giroux, Hartnell, Voracek, Briere, Lecavalier, Jagr, Schenn, etc.
- SuperSchennBros

No, I'm using usage in general. Ryan played 1st line wing and saw a lot of PP time. Simmonds hasn't played in a first line role, and certainly hasn't seen linemates anywhere near as good as Getzlaff or Perry, although his PP time is similar or better than Ryan's. And over the last two seasons, he's outproduced Ryan by almost ten goals.

In the case of Read, he's been used mostly as a third liner or in a shutdown role his entire NHL career, and still consistently scores 20+ goals. It's ridiculous to think he couldn't score more if he was used in a more offensive role.

In terms of teammates, what does that matter? The usage of Read and Simmonds was because of their teammates, but the bottom line is, the way they were used is the way they were used. They were not used in the offensive roles that Ryan was used in, meaning less opportunity to score goals...which is why it's not unquestionable that Ryan is the better goal scorer.

Would you trade B. Schenn for Bobby Ryan straight up?
- GOA88

NO WAY

And he's outscored Ryan the past two seasons, with a 9 goal margin.
- Jsaquella

Even strength goals the last 3 seasons from recent to 2 years ago:

Ryan 17, 9, 28
Simmonds 14, 9, 10.

Ryan is a better scorer at even strength.

Ryan isn't a superstar but a very good top 6 forward at even strength. The only reason not to want to add him for nothing as a UFA is the money. But I don't see what the big deal is if it won't hurt the Flyers going forward.

As for as not needing a guy who can add about 20 even strength goals a year: that all depends on whether B. Schenn can do the same. I am not a fan but this season will go a long way in determining if he can be a top line winger.

But...how you you question something that is unquestionable? Isn't that litrilly unpossible?
- MBFlyerfan

indubitably
unthinkably

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