Your point about better offensive players kind of makes my point. Having that much depth takes opportunities away from Simmonds. Having less guys gives more opportunity to Ryan.
- Jsaquella

Bringing Ryan here would also mean less primo ice for guys like Simmer/Read/Schenn/Coots/Laughts on down the line. You might gain a 30-goal scorer, but you'd ostensibly be cutting marginal production from every other guy behind him.

I've said it before, I have zero interest in Ryan unless Simmonds, Schenn or Voracek is traded for defensive help
- Jsaquella

i'd rather keep the three guys you mentioned

i'd rather keep the three guys you mentioned
- -davies-

As would I

Bringing Ryan here would also mean less primo ice for guys like Simmer/Read/Schenn/Coots/Laughts on down the line. You might gain a 30-goal scorer, but you'd ostensibly be cutting marginal production from every other guy behind him.
- Tomahawk

Exactly the reason I don't have interest in Ryan, unless they deal a guy for defense help. If they trade Simmonds or Schenn for a good defenseman, great, sign Ryan.

But right now, forward and forward depth is a strong point.

It's apples to oranges, but SSB keeps insisting that Ryan's the more productive goal-scorer, when there's nothing at all to back that up:

Simmer's shot totals and SH%'s mirror Ryan's almost identically.
Read's G/60 numbers at ES mirror Ryan's almost identically.


As a pure finisher, he might have an edge... but from a production/practical standpoint, he doesn't have much of an edge, if at all.
- Tomahawk

Almost...Almost...What was I thinking? Nothing to back this up at all, when you just did it for me.

Bringing Ryan here would also mean less primo ice for guys like Simmer/Read/Schenn/Coots/Laughts on down the line. You might gain a 30-goal scorer, but you'd ostensibly be cutting marginal production from every other guy behind him.
- Tomahawk

Just rotate them all so they can all play with Ryan. Ryan will play 60 mins a game

i'd rather keep the three guys you mentioned
- -davies-

As would I, but I'm talking about a hypothetical. If Schenn or Simmonds landed a legit top pair defenseman, I'd be OK with that and then adding Ryan, provided the deal is reasonable

He's already making north of 5 million per year. Meaning his asking price will be between 6 and 7 mill at least. Still not worth it.

Whatever he ends up getting for a contract will be about what Read and Simmonds make combined.
- mcefalu

There are reasonable UFA's, some known to have taken less to leave a little wiggle room for their teams to add more help. Most notably this past summer.

Why are Simmonds are Bobby Ryan being compared?

Different players who bring different styles.
- bradleyc4

Let it ride, boss -- it's all fun and games until somebody gets called Sweetcheeks

Let it ride, boss -- it's all fun and games until somebody gets called Sweetcheeks
- AllInForFlyers

As would I, but I'm talking about a hypothetical. If Schenn or Simmonds landed a legit top pair defenseman, I'd be OK with that and then adding Ryan, provided the deal is reasonable
- Jsaquella

Ryan's contract and perceived value make him less attractive.

There are reasonable UFA's, some known to have taken less to leave a little wiggle room for their teams to add more help. Most notably this past summer.
- SuperSchennBros

Except that there are plenty of teams unlike the Flyers with 0 forward depth who will drive the price up for Ryan. There aren't many other potential free agent wingers who might be available come this summer. Ryan will cost a pretty penny without a doubt, probably around $6.5 million per yr

Exactly the reason I don't have interest in Ryan, unless they deal a guy for defense help. If they trade Simmonds or Schenn for a good defenseman, great, sign Ryan.

But right now, forward and forward depth is a strong point.
- Jsaquella

Bite your tongue -- Babyi Schenn is gonna be consistent this year and the defensemen are coming

Ryan's contract and perceived value make him less attractive.
- PhillySportsGuy

UNQUESTIONABLY

Ryan's contract and perceived value make him less attractive.
- PhillySportsGuy

Absolutely. He's already making a lot of money, so expecting him to take a pay cut is unrealistic. I wouldn't want to pay him much more than he's making now, so unless he's got a real hard on to be a Flyer, I can't see it working out well

Let it ride, boss -- it's all fun and games until somebody gets called Sweetcheeks
- AllInForFlyers

When Bobby Ryan doesn't sign here, it will be like missing out on the last UFA we pursured. So what? If he does sign here, then what? The haters are up in arms?

It's all just a stupid pride and ego game, so the first can say I told you so.

I want Giroux to play with a pure shooter like we've seen in past years. Lindros and LeClair, Forsberg and Gagne, etc. I don't think there is anything wrong with this.

Except that there are plenty of teams unlike the Flyers with 0 forward depth who will drive the price up for Ryan. There aren't many other potential free agent wingers who might be available come this summer. Ryan will cost a pretty penny without a doubt, probably around $6.5 million per yr
- mcefalu

Do you expect to have the same roster by season's end?

When Bobby Ryan doesn't sign here, it will be like missing on the last UFA we produces. So what? If he does sign here, then what? The haters are up in arms?

It's all just a stupid pride and ego game, so the first can say I told you so.

I want Giroux to play with a pure shooter like we've seen in past years. Lindros and LeClair, Forsberg and Gagne, etc. I don't think there is anything wrong with this.
- SuperSchennBros

Whoa, whoa, whoa -- easy there, killer -- I have not weighed in on that, I've just been reading

Absolutely. He's already making a lot of money, so expecting him to take a pay cut is unrealistic. I wouldn't want to pay him much more than he's making now, so unless he's got a real hard on to be a Flyer, I can't see it working out well
- Jsaquella

I feel the same people who will clamor for the flyers to sign him will be the first to complain about his inconsistency and lack of physicality. He's very similar to JVR but older and worse IMO

Edirt: and will cost more than JVR

When Bobby Ryan doesn't sign here, it will be like missing on the last UFA we produces. So what? If he does sign here, then what? The haters are up in arms?

It's all just a stupid pride and ego game, so the first can say I told you so.

I want Giroux to play with a pure shooter like we've seen in past years. Lindros and LeClair, Forsberg and Gagne, etc. I don't think there is anything wrong with this.
- SuperSchennBros

There is nothing wrong with it, in and of itself. However, when you look at the team around him, it's not a pressing need. This is a team with a huge hole on the blueline, a tight cap situation and plenty of forward depth.

I'd rather see them fix the real problems than add a shooter for Giroux, because it's not a huge need they have to fill.

Not much interest in Ryan for me. Too one dimensional, and lack the elements to his game that I think the Flyers should be looking for if they're going to get involved in a big money deal. I'd want a player who is just as effective without the puck, as with it. That you can put on the ice at the end of the game with a one goal lead, just as you can if you're down a goal. That's not Ryan in my opinion.

I want Giroux to play with a pure shooter like we've seen in past years. Lindros and LeClair, Forsberg and Gagne, etc. I don't think there is anything wrong with this.
- SuperSchennBros

Giroux - Lecavalier... there, happy?

I feel the same people who will clamor for the flyers to sign him will be the first to complain about his inconsistency and lack of physicality. He's very similar to JVR but older and worse IMO
- PhillySportsGuy

Those are issues. Look, if I'm going after a shooter for Giroux who will likely make north of $6mm, I'd rather get a guy like Kessel. Ryan couldn't top 35 with Getzlaff. Kessel's scoring 35 & 37 with Tyler Bozak

When three people (I assume seriously) can say that they wouldn't trade B. Schenn for B. Ryan, I think we have dropped his value too low.

Jacob Markstrom on waivers, only mildly surprising name. Kevin Marshall on there as well