Dan, are you sure the game is on MSG +? I don't see it listed. I just see that it "will be streamed live on Islanders TV and broadcast on WRHU 88.7 FM."

Like the others have said, "No" on the Leddy for Lee. I'm looking forward to watching him this season.

I can't wait to see both second lines tonight (forward and defensive). Should be very interesting.
- David_Volek

Weird i don't see it either. I was told it was on tv

If I can get a defenseman for bailey I would trade him yes. I don't think you can compare bailey and Okposo. Totally different players
- Dan Petriw

I think he's just pointing out that Bailey is two years younger than Okposo, and Okposo has just, in the past year and a half, really hit his stride. Everyone was calling for Okposo's head for awhile too. Not to the extent of Bailey, but it was happening.

Ya, there's that problem that #1 has won 2 Norrises, and #3 is a top 2 guys on most teams in the league.

The Hawks can "afford" to deal Leddy because he is almost certainly a top 4 guy now or in the very near future on most teams int he league—just not with them—and he will command top 4 money, which they can't afford.

To imply he sucks because he's #5 on the Hawks is just kind of silly.

What you get with Nick Leddy is a guy who can skate like the wind, really shoot and pass the puck. He has improved in his own end but still struggles at times with assignments and really locking it down around his own net. He's 23 and has won a Stanley Cup.

And he does things physically 90-95% of the league's defensemen can't.

A work in progress, a competent 4-5 on any team, and huge upside.
- John Jaeckel

I have the utmost respect for the Hawks and all they have accomplished over the past few seasons. That said, I've seen them play a lot of hockey of the past few years and never once have I been impressed with Nick Leddy. I realize he plays behind Keith and Seabrook, but so did Brian Campbell, and he still managed to impress even in a more limited role with the Hawks than he's had everywhere else. I realize the Isles will have to give to get to improve their blueline, but Lee is not the player to give and Leddy is not the player to get.

What kind of return would you look to get for Leddy, given that the Hawks are a bit over the barrel, capwise?

Nick Leddy is a much better player than Hickey and he could help this team. I'm just not giving up a top prospect
- Dan Petriw

I don't know if he's much better. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Leddy received some PP time last year on the second unit. Leddy is also on one of the best teams in the league, and played on the third pairing, receiving "sheltered minutes" in a way.

Hickey didn't see much PP time, our team D can't compare to the Hawks team D.

I don't know if he's much better. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Leddy received some PP time last year on the second unit, is on one of the best teams in the league, and played on the third pairing, receiving "sheltered minutes" in a way.
- Danformo

Leddy was 6th in overall TOI/G

2nd in PP TOI/G

and, yes, played highly sheltered minutes getting 63.3% of his starts in the offensive zone and playing against below average quality of competition.

Literally all Bailey has to do to improve is shoot. His stick handling is there, his back checking is there, his hustle is there.

He doesn't have that selfish desire to score
- Danformo

He also gets a little deke-happy when below the dots.
Needs to simplify his approach and SHOOT MORE BUT his habit as a passer keeps his linemates from crashing towards the net to pick up rebounds b/c they expect him to pass. #paradox

For Leddy & Versteeg......


Donovan, Conacher & 3rd pick....

This helps the Hawks cap situation and still provide them w/depth players which they lack.....

I think he's just pointing out that Bailey is two years younger than Okposo, and Okposo has just, in the past year and a half, really hit his stride. Everyone was calling for Okposo's head for awhile too. Not to the extent of Bailey, but it was happening.
- eichiefs9

It was close to that level. I was one of the people wanting to trade him.

Weird i don't see it either. I was told it was on tv
- Dan Petriw

It's going to be on MSG. It was added late so the guide probably didn't get updated

It was close to that level. I was one of the people wanting to trade him.
- Cptmjl

I didn't want to trade kyle but I'd fly down and drive Bailey to the airport if we can get a defenseman for him.

I didn't want to trade kyle but I'd fly down and drive Bailey to the airport if we can get a defenseman for him.
- Isles_since_6

I kind of got to the point with Okposo that I looked at him leveling out as a good 3rd liner(which I was fine with BTW) but the lock out shortened season first half he looked so bad I wanted him gone till January when he changed everyone's mind.

It's going to be on MSG. It was added late so the guide probably didn't get updated
- Vukota

Awesome. I thought only Fridays game was televised. GF won't be happy about this.

I kind of got to the point with Okposo that I looked at him leveling out as a good 3rd liner(which I was fine with BTW) but the lock out shortened season first half he looked so bad I wanted him gone till January when he changed everyone's mind.
- Cptmjl

Still hasn't changed my mind.....

Awesome. I thought only Fridays game was televised. GF won't be happy about this.
- Cptmjl

I'm talking about friday's game. Tonight's game isn't on TV

Awesome. I thought only Fridays game was televised. GF won't be happy about this.
- Cptmjl

Tonight's game will be streamed live on the isles website

I'm talking about friday's game. Tonight's game isn't on TV
- Vukota

Tonight's game will be streamed live on the isles website
- Vukota

Happy I have that remote app

Problem is over the last season and this summer every time I go to the hawks thread you have your own fans ripping leddy, and when it comes to cap casualties 90% of your posters seem to think they wouldn’t miss him. That, to me, is a fairly large red flag. Unlike flyers fans, if I see that stuff I remember how we were with amac and I want no part of another one.

Simple fact is that we don’t really NEED another offensive minded defenseman. What we desperately need is someone like oduya or boychuk, defensive minded who can play 20 minutes a night with an edge to his game.
- Isles_since_6

Really? Who cares. Ask a scout or a coach or someone who matters.

All I'm saying is this: Nick Leddy? Has some significant value because of what he is, and especially what he can become. Not wishful, fan-boy thinking either. This is based on what people in hockey say.

Really? Who cares. Ask a scout or a coach or someone who matters.

All I'm saying is this: Nick Leddy? Has some significant value because of what he is, and especially what he can become. Not wishful, fan-boy thinking either. This is based on what people in hockey say.
- John Jaeckel

really? who cares? because the fans can't see the same things? Everyone in here ripped amac for a full season before the flyers traded for him and signed him to that ridiculous contract, and we were all relieved. so no fan opinions matter when it comes to player evaluations? Come on man, I know you're looking at him as a valuable trade chip but contrary to popular belief, the fans aren't fvcking blind.

I have the utmost respect for the Hawks and all they have accomplished over the past few seasons. That said, I've seen them play a lot of hockey of the past few years and never once have I been impressed with Nick Leddy. I realize he plays behind Keith and Seabrook, but so did Brian Campbell, and he still managed to impress even in a more limited role with the Hawks than he's had everywhere else. I realize the Isles will have to give to get to improve their blueline, but Lee is not the player to give and Leddy is not the player to get.

What kind of return would you look to get for Leddy, given that the Hawks are a bit over the barrel, capwise?
- Snowblind

Good question. Late first rounder and a good prospect.

With all due respect to your observation, Leddy can skate (like few players in the league can), shoot, pass and man the point on the PP. Will mix it up a bit too. Not contact averse. Not great defensively, but improving and young. Plus he knows how to play a style that every team in the league is now trying to emulate.

Just don't undervalue this kid either. He is highly regarded in terms of what he has shown he can do, and what he might grow into.

When someone says you don't need any more offensive defensemen, take a look around the league. everyone is looking for puck movers now. Regardless of size.

Really? Who cares. Ask a scout or a coach or someone who matters.

All I'm saying is this: Nick Leddy? Has some significant value because of what he is, and especially what he can become. Not wishful, fan-boy thinking either. This is based on what people in hockey say.
- John Jaeckel

I still have a hard time understanding why the hawks even with the talent they have would trade a young defenseman with so much upside? It actually makes zero sense. You find other ways to find space. Irregardless, what would you expect in return? Completely dismiss the idea of lee or strome. Neither is happening. Id kill snow myself if someone else didnt beat me to it. Realisitically what would you expect in return?

really? who cares? because the fans can't see the same things? Everyone in here ripped amac for a full season before the flyers traded for him and signed him to that ridiculous contract, and we were all relieved. so no fan opinions matter when it comes to player evaluations? Come on man, I know you're looking at him as a valuable trade chip but contrary to popular belief, the fans aren't fvcking blind.
- Isles_since_6

I will take the opinions of people paid to scout hockey players over 1/2 of a fan base any day. You should too.

Just saying, Leddy is more highly regarded by people who make their living in hockey than apparently you think.

There is no fanboy thing here. Personally, I'd rather see the Hawks keep him. I do talk to scouts and hockey people. This is what they tell me. And I've watched the game, going back to Bobby Orr for over 45 years. This kid is a pretty good hockey player and has abilities you can't coach that he will grow into (most likely) over time.

Tough to see them trade Lee but if there is no spot for him and this is 3rd yr of ELC, well maybe it is a trade they have to make. Bet CHI would like Clutterbuck because he played well in that division but his salary is too high for their cap.

Good question. Late first rounder and a good prospect.

With all due respect to your observation, Leddy can skate (like few players in the league can), shoot, pass and man the point on the PP. Will mix it up a bit too. Not contact averse. Not great defensively, but improving and young. Plus he knows how to play a style that every team in the league is now trying to emulate.

Just don't undervalue this kid either. He is highly regarded in terms of what he has shown he can do, and what he might grow into.

When someone says you don't need any more offensive defensemen, take a look around the league. everyone is looking for puck movers now. Regardless of size.
- John Jaeckel

Don't take my comments as necessarily undervaluing leddy, but that we really don't have a need for another offensive defenseman learning to play defense. We need the reverse.

Don't take my comments as necessarily undervaluing leddy, but that we really don't have a need for another offensive defenseman learning to play defense. We need the reverse.
- Isles_since_6

That's fair, and you are right, that's what he is. I would just say, he's not "just another" guy like that. Because of his physical ability.