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HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Sep 23 @ 9:43 PM ET
That's where you logic leads to. No surprise that you don't see that.
- SabresPanacea


Actually it's not. My logic is based off of actual stats. I'm still trying to figure out how a guy who's top goal production in his career is 28 goals is going to get near that number on a team that's very much below average.

I'll hang up and listen.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Sep 23 @ 9:44 PM ET
I think that was my downfall last year. Trying a new system of playing the better players instead of man games.
- rmiethaner

Man games wins . A surprise low salary 4th liner can sure rack up some points now and then. 20pts is great from them .
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Sep 23 @ 9:44 PM ET
Man games wins . A surprise low salary 4th liner can sure rack up some points now and then. 20pts is great from them .
- cabin


The 4th liners that get a good amount of PIMS are good fillers.
Dr3aMWeav3r
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You Human Paraquat, VA
Joined: 07.27.2012

Sep 23 @ 9:55 PM ET
Well now we know Could have mentioned that a couple days ago.
- cabin

yeah.. sorry. been a tad busy. like I said, im usually just lurking, enjoying the conversation
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Sep 23 @ 10:19 PM ET
yeah.. sorry. been a tad busy. like I said, im usually just lurking, enjoying the conversation
- Dr3aMWeav3r



Post more, lurk less.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Sep 23 @ 10:28 PM ET
Sabres out scored a NHL team
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Sep 23 @ 10:29 PM ET


Post more, lurk less.

- cabin

I don't like Grigo as a 4C between Lemieux and Kaleta - especially after the coach said he had a very positive game in DC Sunday.
stashu
Buffalo Sabres
Location: SC
Joined: 06.04.2008

Sep 23 @ 10:30 PM ET
Sabres out scored a NHL team
- cabin


Enroth is a scrub!
Herzeleid
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Victor Hedman and Kucherov can go f themselves. Twice.
Joined: 06.21.2013

Sep 23 @ 10:30 PM ET
Man games wins . A surprise low salary 4th liner can sure rack up some points now and then. 20pts is great from them .
- cabin


How does my first team look?

James van Riemsdyk
TOR vs MON, PIT, NYR $4,250,000

Chris Kreider
NYR vs STL, CLB, TOR $2,475,000

Max Pacioretty
MON vs TOR, WAS, PHI $4,500,000

Jamie Benn
DAL vs CHI, NAS $5,250,000

Center Salary

Steven Stamkos
TB vs FLA, OTT $7,500,000

Nathan MacKinnon
COL vs MIN, MIN $925,000

David Krejci
BOS vs PHI, DET, WAS $5,250,000

Patrice Bergeron
BOS vs PHI, DET, WAS $6,500,000

Right Wing Salary

Lee Stempniak
NYR vs STL, CLB, TOR $900,000

Wayne Simmonds
PHI vs BOS, NJ, MON $3,975,000

Brendan Gallagher
MON vs TOR, WAS, PHI $685,000

Cam Atkinson
CLB vs BUF, NYR $1,150,000

Defense Salary

Jacob Trouba
WPG vs ARI, SJ, LA $894,167

Victor Hedman
TB vs FLA, OTT $4,000,000

Radko Gudas
TB vs FLA, OTT $991,667

Jake Muzzin
LA vs SJ, ARI, WPG $1,000,000

Mark Giordano
CGY vs VAN, EDM, STL $4,020,000

Dougie Hamilton
BOS vs PHI, DET, WAS $894,167

Goaltenders Salary

Carey Price
MON vs TOR, WAS, PHI $6,500,000

Tuukka Rask
BOS vs PHI, DET, WAS $7,000,000
stashu
Buffalo Sabres
Location: SC
Joined: 06.04.2008

Sep 23 @ 10:30 PM ET
I don't like Grigo as a 4C between Lemieux and Kaleta - especially after the coach said he had a very positive game in DC Sunday.
- Der Kaiser


I feel so sorry for the kid...always getting put with non skill guys.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Sep 23 @ 10:31 PM ET
Enroth is a scrub!
- stashu


Minimal causal relationship
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Sep 23 @ 10:31 PM ET
Enroth is a scrub!
- stashu

Calm down Sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stashu
Buffalo Sabres
Location: SC
Joined: 06.04.2008

Sep 23 @ 10:31 PM ET
Calm down Sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Yeti1181


You big meanie!!
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Sep 23 @ 10:32 PM ET
I feel so sorry for the kid...always getting put with non skill guys.
- stashu

That was like Peter Holland last year on the leafs centering Orr/FMAC
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Sep 23 @ 10:33 PM ET
You big meanie!!
- stashu

What?
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Sep 23 @ 10:33 PM ET
That was like Peter Holland last year on the leafs centering Orr/FMAC
- Yeti1181


It's sort of like putting your dogs nose in another's dogs poop. I understand it's supposed to motivate, but I don't think it's going to work.
rmiethaner
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 10.04.2006

Sep 23 @ 10:34 PM ET
How does my first team look?

James van Riemsdyk
TOR vs MON, PIT, NYR $4,250,000

Chris Kreider
NYR vs STL, CLB, TOR $2,475,000

Max Pacioretty
MON vs TOR, WAS, PHI $4,500,000

Jamie Benn
DAL vs CHI, NAS $5,250,000

Center Salary

Steven Stamkos
TB vs FLA, OTT $7,500,000

Nathan MacKinnon
COL vs MIN, MIN $925,000

David Krejci
BOS vs PHI, DET, WAS $5,250,000

Patrice Bergeron
BOS vs PHI, DET, WAS $6,500,000

Right Wing Salary

Lee Stempniak
NYR vs STL, CLB, TOR $900,000

Wayne Simmonds
PHI vs BOS, NJ, MON $3,975,000

Brendan Gallagher
MON vs TOR, WAS, PHI $685,000

Cam Atkinson
CLB vs BUF, NYR $1,150,000

Defense Salary

Jacob Trouba
WPG vs ARI, SJ, LA $894,167

Victor Hedman
TB vs FLA, OTT $4,000,000

Radko Gudas
TB vs FLA, OTT $991,667

Jake Muzzin
LA vs SJ, ARI, WPG $1,000,000

Mark Giordano
CGY vs VAN, EDM, STL $4,020,000

Dougie Hamilton
BOS vs PHI, DET, WAS $894,167

Goaltenders Salary

Carey Price
MON vs TOR, WAS, PHI $6,500,000

Tuukka Rask
BOS vs PHI, DET, WAS $7,000,000

- Herzeleid


Solid. I tend to spend less on goaltending and more on scoring. But don't listen to me as I missed the playoffs last year.
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Sep 23 @ 10:35 PM ET
It's sort of like putting your dogs nose in another's dogs poop. I understand it's supposed to motivate, but I don't think it's going to work.
- Der Kaiser

rmiethaner
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 10.04.2006

Sep 23 @ 10:36 PM ET
I feel so sorry for the kid...always getting put with non skill guys.
- stashu



I agree. Is that because of him or coaching?
stashu
Buffalo Sabres
Location: SC
Joined: 06.04.2008

Sep 23 @ 10:39 PM ET
I agree. Is that because of him or coaching?
- rmiethaner


Multiple coaches now. Whether people think a player should be "handed" a job or not, giving someone who you drafted with the idea that they are highly skilled and then placing them constantly on 4th line duty is poop management.
rmiethaner
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 10.04.2006

Sep 23 @ 10:41 PM ET
Multiple coaches now. Whether people think a player should be "handed" a job or not, giving someone who you drafted with the idea that they are highly skilled and then placing them constantly on 4th line duty is poop management.
- stashu



Yep. Pretty clear.
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Sep 23 @ 10:42 PM ET
Multiple coaches now. Whether people think a player should be "handed" a job or not, giving someone who you drafted with the idea that they are highly skilled and then placing them constantly on 4th line duty is poop management.
- stashu

See yakupov, nail Edmonton oilers 2013-2014
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Sep 23 @ 10:42 PM ET
Did anyone listen to the post game? What happened that Pysyk played all of 54 seconds tonight?
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Sep 23 @ 10:46 PM ET
Solid. I tend to spend less on goaltending and more on scoring. But don't listen to me as I missed the playoffs last year.
- rmiethaner


Last season I spemt less than 3m total for goalies. Tough to see them play 3 games a week
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Sep 23 @ 10:46 PM ET
Did anyone listen to the post game? What happened that Pysyk played all of 54 seconds tonight?
- HonkFortheGoose


I missed it
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