First, welcome. Second, not meaning to tear apart your post, but I will disagree with you on everything except freeing up cap space.

In theory, and in practice, they would free up cap space. But they likely won't happen because Q and the coaching staff would probably quit if they had to rely on that limited experience in defensemen 5-7.

I have heard Oduya and his agent are talking to the Hawks about a cap-friendly extension. He wants to stay and i think given a choice, Hawks would like to keep him. A lot can happen on the way to the altar, but at the start of the summer, Pizza Man was as good as gone and that has changed—again, because, I have heard, he will work with the Hawks on a cap friendly deal.

Leddy very possibly (probably) WILL be gone and ultimately "replaced" by one of the guys you mention or Rundblad. They are very high on Dahlbeck and he is the most NHL ready of the three. Johns might need a full season+ in the AHL. Clendening still has a massive hole in his game until proven otherwise.

Defense is the toughest NHL position to "grow into." There is no need to rush these guys along really.
- John Jaeckel

Bob Mackenzie is on record that Stanbo has been trying to trade Leddy all summer. I will take Bobby Mac's word for it over Stan's denials.

Based on that, they must think Dahlbeck is a replacement at least equal to Leddy, if not better and Leddy can bring them back something they really need.

If that doesn't happen, surely he can find a home for Rozsival or Versteeg. Both are expensive luxuries at this point.

Apparently denial is just a river in Egypt.

Bob Mackenzie is on record that Stanbo has been trying to trade Leddy all summer. I will take Bobby Mac's word for it over Stan's denials.

Based on that, they must think Dahlbeck is a replacement at least equal to Leddy, if not better and Leddy can bring them back something they really need.

If that doesn't happen, surely he can find a home for Rozsival or Versteeg. Both are expensive luxuries at this point.
- RickJ

Or Rundblad as a replacement for Leddy

Or Rundblad as a replacement for Leddy
- jjh181

Or you could have a Dahlbeck/Rundblad/Rozsival rotation on the 3rd paring?

Thought you all needed a laugh...

This is from the asylum:

"Blues up 22-8 in shots and losing 2-1. Wow regular season hockey is already here."

He has to chase down guys because he is so often out of position. And for all your bashing of Oduya, Leddy in no way can handle facing top ten QoC as Oduya does. Or play on the PK. But I would love to see Leddy playing top 4 minutes against top level competition.

Sadly, as a Hawk fan, it would definitely remove them from serious contention for the Cup.
- Elbows15

Fair points, strike my original comment from the record. Regarding your original response.

However, if Handzuis did not take them from serious contention, there is no way that Leddy can!

JMO...

Thought you all needed a laugh...

This is from the asylum:

"Blues up 22-8 in shots and losing 2-1. Wow regular season hockey is already here."


- stljam

Wow.

Apparently denial is just a river in Egypt.
- HawkintheD

Reality can be a female dog, D.

On a separate note, I was assisted by a very kind woman in Michigan the other day. Gave the place some redeeming value. I hate her.

Wow.
- EKolb13

3-1 now with Allen giving up 3 goals on 11 shots. No video for the game but the stats line doesn't suggest a way for Allen to push Elliott for playing time, lol.

3-1 now with Allen giving up 3 goals on 11 shots. No video for the game but the stats line doesn't suggest a way for Allen to push Elliott for playing time, lol.
- stljam

Poppycock. He sounds like a winner to me.

3-1 now with Allen giving up 3 goals on 11 shots. No video for the game but the stats line doesn't suggest a way for Allen to push Elliott for playing time, lol.
- stljam

I've got a feeling that the tandem in the pipes for the Blues this season is going to be a point of contention and conversation for Blues fans all season.

Poppycock. He sounds like a winner to me.
- Ogilthorpe2

I just took him as the third goalie on my team in the H2H league I'm in this season...

Or you could have a Dahlbeck/Rundblad/Rozsival rotation on the 3rd paring?
- EKolb13

True, but as much as I would like to see Dahlbeck in the minors continuing to improve his game, I guess there is going to be that need for a 7th defenseman. That rotation will more than likely end up being what it is at the start of the season if we do trade away Leddy

Fair points, strike my original comment from the record.
- TrueGrit

Its easy to dismiss Oduya until you consider two points TG. One is the Hawks record since acquiring him. The second point is it allows Q to utilize Keith and Seabrook in more of a two way role instead of having to face other teams' best players all the time. Which, imo, takes better advantage of their abilities.

Between the start of this upcoming season and the start of next season, you will see Leddy, Oduya and Rozsival replaced by Clendening, Dahlbeck and Johns.
Besides promoting prized prospects to the parent club, these moves will free up valuable cap space. The Hawks will also get slightly bigger and more physical on the back end.
Leddy will not be signed again as he is too weak on the puck and makes too much for a third pairing d-man. Moving Oduya would give the Hawks more cap space than moving either of the other two. Rozsival will be gone once the Hawks find anyone to take him.
Dahlbeck may be the most NHL ready of the three. Johns might still need a partial season in Rockford to hone his game. Clendening, however, would replace Leddy's puck moving ability when Leddy is dealt.
- dwthedon

johns is not ready and may need a full season in rockford
leddy looked good today and i predict he will be paired with nick and oduya traded
rosy i think stays
the third line is bickell shaw and versteeg
the fourth is kruger smith and nordstrom

the first line today looked in mid season form. maybe tt is used on the wing to give sharp and hossa some rest as necessary

elbows leddy was not out of position during any of the scrimmages i saw and only used his speed to close on players

True, but as much as I would like to see Dahlbeck in the minors continuing to improve his game, I guess there is going to be that need for a 7th defenseman. That rotation will more than likely end up being what it is at the start of the season if we do trade away Leddy
- jjh181

I believe that Dahlbeck is strong enough in his own end to hold his own in the NHL, if he can earn a roster spot out of camp.

If Rozsival is sticking around, I'd venture to guess he's not going to put in 82 games. If he's sharing playing time with Rundblad and Dahlbeck, all three will get plenty of playing time.

True, but as much as I would like to see Dahlbeck in the minors continuing to improve his game, I guess there is going to be that need for a 7th defenseman. That rotation will more than likely end up being what it is at the start of the season if we do trade away Leddy
- jjh181

Dahlbeck is ready. Any refinement needed in his game will come at the NHL level. He is the typical Swede. Positionally sound. Understands angles and how to use them. He will need to adjust to the faster pace at the NHL level but he is smart enough to adapt quickly.

Reality can be a female dog, D.

On a separate note, I was assisted by a very kind woman in Michigan the other day. Gave the place some redeeming value. I hate her.
- Elbows15

The state's not all bad. I do hate when you ask someone up here where they're from though and they flip their hand over to show you on their makeshift map. It's totally annoying.

The state's not all bad. I do hate when you ask someone up here where they're from though and they flip their hand over to show you on their makeshift map. It's totally annoying.
- HawkintheD

She was a total sweetheart. I was looking for a particular street and she whipped out her phone and gave me exact directions.

I believe that Dahlbeck is strong enough in his own end to hold his own in the NHL, if he can earn a roster spot out of camp.

If Rozsival is sticking around, I'd venture to guess he's not going to put in 82 games. If he's sharing playing time with Rundblad and Dahlbeck, all three will get plenty of playing time.
- EKolb13

I don't think Rozi could put in a 82 game season back into his game at all for the rest of his career. Getting a little to that age of retirement and to where he just doesn't have much of that 82 game durability. I would be perfectly fine with Rundblad and Dahlbeck rotating with Rozsival as long as Dahlbeck is capable of adjusting to the NHL level.

Its easy to dismiss Oduya until you consider two points TG. One is the Hawks record since acquiring him. The second point is it allows Q to utilize Keith and Seabrook in more of a two way role instead of having to face other teams' best players all the time. Which, imo, takes better advantage of their abilities.
- Elbows15

I do not dismiss him at all, I am of the mind that his best hockey is behind him. You make a great point about how they are used as shut down.

Since I have been wrong about everything hockey the last 8 months, Leddy ought to have his bags packed.

I do not dismiss him at all, I am of the mind that his best hockey is behind him. You make a great point about how they are used as shut down.

Since I have been wrong about everything hockey the last 8 months, Leddy ought to have his bags packed.
- TrueGrit

Only the last 8 months?

What would you guys want for a return if the Chicago traded Seabrook to Toronto? I don't believe something like that would happen, I'm just curious what you believe his worth to be.

What would you guys want for a return if the Chicago traded Seabrook to Toronto? I don't believe something like that would happen, I'm just curious what you believe his worth to be.
- BetterCallSaul

A lot more than Toronto has to offer.

A lot more than Toronto has to offer.
- DarthKane

Pretty much...