Ben Vareen...great dancer...
- TrueGrit

I do believe they are related.

I do believe they are related.
- HawkintheD

has to be. Did you see his footwork at the end of the game? Jesus. I think they pulled a couple of fans of out the crowd to play safety at the end of the game?

They are flying home on a medavac.

Ha, you know it, started drinking the red stuff at age 9. There were a few years. Late 70's thru the early 80's that I discovered girls, then there was that beer phase(along with Saverd Larmer and Secord) which transistioned back to the Hawks. Lots of tears Qvist, most recently happy, save game 7 in OT
- Cup-Bearer

Pretty sure that isn't where he was going with that. More along the lines that next year will be a transition year because of having to shed some salary. Pretty sure cup has been a fan for a long time and suffered through the dark ages.
- Elbows15

I wasn´t jumping at anyone with my post. Just thought that quote fit with my share of love. Maybe my point is often lost in translation and vice versa but just wanted to give my different kind of perspective to things. Not that anyone should be intrested in that but hey; I can get bored sometimes too

Points taken. And mine still stand. The issue with defense this last WCF was more about lack of depth and Q not being able to keep 4 lines rolling. You lose Bolland and Frolik - you're losing some serious back checking ability - as well as guys who "play big". Zeus was fine as that extra PKer and faceoff guy in 13. In 14 he was basically expected by Q to be Frolik, Bolland and the 13 version of himself. The team will benefit from his absence mostly because Q will not be able to call on him instead of searching for other options. Hopefully, SB does not give him another veteran crutch like Zeus until he has gotten comfortable with his lines (maybe another deadline deal if needed) and allowed younger players (Nordstrom, Morin, Smith...) to establish themselves.
- tredbrta

You're own blogger here was critical of Voyanov during the POs. Beyond the Muzzin/Doughty pair the rest are average at best. Green and Mitchell - when they realized they could interfere and hold as much as they liked - looked far better compared to what they actually were.
- tredbrta

<<<< As for Voynov, guys were all over Muzzin, too. I can't be held responsible for those moes!
Seriously, tho, it's a matter of expectations. If they had listened to Sutter, they would have heard him regale those guys as being great for their age, not great for the NHL, yet. But now, for example, Muzzin has 175 total career games. 43 of them, fully 25%, are playoff games, in deep runs. Voynov is 20% I think.

For me, the proof of their worth was us losing Regehr and Mitchell, our only 2 real veteran regulars (Greene was a platooned 7th with Martinez most of the year) and both Mitchell and Regehr played the left side.

So how bad can Voynov and Muzzin be if they played full-time minutes all season on the Jennings Trophy defense, then still won the Cup while losing 2 vets, both from the same side. For me that's an argument toward depth.

The holding thing is moot, it's the same rules for both teams. I'd rather they let the grabs go some, but not as much as they did, but theyt really allowed a lot of whacking and stick work away from the play, i.e. Brown and Hossa looked like a couple of lumberjacks in a blood feud.

Sorry but complaining about Refs just doesn't address the Jennings quality of play from all our guys, all year long. >>>>

Your Zus comment:
This is awesome, informative, thanks. I get it now with Zus; we loved the guy, with his faults, but we also didn't expect too much from him. Remember, we got him the year after knee surgery, and essentially it took him a season to get back to his best, so he was for us a bridge player of a much longer crossing.

Yeah I got my seast for that game already ---in section 129 row C seat one.

If you want any help with any of that you got it.

Ybor is...nice I guess, to learn the history of the area.
Ybor is like Rush street or the places on Clark street after the Cubs game.
My daugher was booked and played Ybor once.

The old sons of the masters are rolling the cigars there and the Columbia spanish and their 1905 sprimp salad and the great seafood dishes is to die for, but....

We have Picasso here and cheaper hotels...
- wiz1901

Thanks Wiz, I'll let you know where I sit. I was looking at 128. Maybe we can get an adult beverage or two

Not the experience he was looking for?
- Elbows15

Cuban, classic!

I wasn´t jumping at anyone with my post. Just thought that quote fit with my share of love. Maybe my point is often lost in translation and vice versa but just wanted to give my different kind of perspective to things. Not that anyone should be intrested in that but hey; I can get bored sometimes too


- MjulQvist

Hey the Kool-aid tastes the same where ever you are.

When Brandon Saad becomes a 6'3" #1 center he can compare salary notes with Ryan Johansen.

- RickJ

When Johansens goal totals don't include3-4 empty net goals and a 17% shooting percentage.

Saad CLEARLY is in the process of a real jump as a regular.

I guess if the Columbus GM truly believes this kid is a TRUE first line centre NOW and pays out 4 million for the next two seasons, and sets the player and AGENT set themselves up for arbitration in two years for the higher second year number and not the 4 mil cap hit, Columbus is bond even in three years starting at that rate no matter if he flattend out and is what he now is.

I guess I just don't see Johansen a future elite guy just yet, much less a true NHL mule centre.

Whether we are talking Saad, Leddy or Johansen I think this is a crucial issue during cap times...whether you pay your youngsters on the verge for promise, or do you stand firm and wait until the entire staff sees that player gets paid as a production player.

To me Johansen is a still a promise player.
Leddy is still a promise player.

What Saad showed last playoff might along with a really strong 2014-15, make him a production player.

and honestly if Johnansen looks like a production player over the course of the next two seasons, I find the money to THEN lock him up, because I am confident the promise is closer to being reached.

Evander Kane/ Frolik / Rostislav Olesz all paid far to much to on the job train.

(at least Frolik's agent saw the writing on the wall and compromised first with the hawks, then the Jets.)

Thanks Wiz, I'll let you know where I sit. I was looking at 128. Maybe we can get an adult beverage or two
- Cup-Bearer

I actually am not much of a drinker especially when watching hockey.

Of course when the Uc opened all the peopel around my season ticket would by me Mai tais so I would get louder, more pro Blackhawk, and even more obnoxious than my regular daily level.

I have learned to bring the $150 bail money.

No surprises here...

@ChrisKuc: #Blackhawks trim Mac Carruth, Kent Simpson, Ryan Schnell, Kirill Gotovets, Justin Holl and Zach Miskovic from training camp roster.

@TramyersCSN: #Blackhawks assign Mac Carruth and Kent Simpson to Rockford, release Ryan Schnell, Kirill Gotovets, Justin Holl and Zach Miskovic.

I actually am not much of a drinker especially when watching hockey.

Of course when the Uc opened all the peopel around my season ticket would by me Mai tais so I would get louder, more pro Blackhawk, and even more obnoxious than my regular daily level.

I have learned to bring the $150 bail money.
- wiz1901

Mai Tai or Shirley Temple. I'll be sure to say hello when I'm down there. My buddy and I are both hitting 50 so we thought a hockey trip was in order. I have a house in Port Charlotte which is about an hour south. My family lives there as well ,the ex brought my son with her to Sarasota so I'll make a week of it. My days of catching peanuts off walls and being an ass are behind me, mostly.

I actually am not much of a drinker especially when watching hockey.

Of course when the Uc opened all the peopel around my season ticket would by me Mai tais so I would get louder, more pro Blackhawk, and even more obnoxious than my regular daily level.

I have learned to bring the $150 bail money.
- wiz1901

Wild Bill,



iTS $300 MIN. for bail now

When Johansens goal totals don't include3-4 empty net goals and a 17% shooting percentage.

Saad CLEARLY is in the process of a real jump as a regular.

I guess if the Columbus GM truly believes this kid is a TRUE first line centre NOW and pays out 4 million for the next two seasons, and sets the player and AGENT set themselves up for arbitration in two years for the higher second year number and not the 4 mil cap hit, Columbus is bond even in three years starting at that rate no matter if he flattend out and is what he now is.

I guess I just don't see Johansen a future elite guy just yet, much less a true NHL mule centre.

Whether we are talking Saad, Leddy or Johansen I think this is a crucial issue during cap times...whether you pay your youngsters on the verge for promise, or do you stand firm and wait until the entire staff sees that player gets paid as a production player.

To me Johansen is a still a promise player.
Leddy is still a promise player.

What Saad showed last playoff might along with a really strong 2014-15, make him a production player.

and honestly if Johnansen looks like a production player over the course of the next two seasons, I find the money to THEN lock him up, because I am confident the promise is closer to being reached.

Evander Kane/ Frolik / Rostislav Olesz all paid far to much to on the job train.

(at least Frolik's agent saw the writing on the wall and compromised first with the hawks, then the Jets.)
- wiz1901

Your thinking on Johansen makes lots of sense Wiz, however Johansen has a hard nut agent who has the Jackets bent over a barrel. He's the same guy that took the Coyotes to the mat on Kyle Turris. And he looks at the long list of guys the Jackets have on big $ deals and says my guy is better than all of them and they need him the most and without him they don't make the playoffs, so pay me now or move my guy to a team that will. And we both know that there would be an idiot GM who would pay the asking price.

No surprises here...

@ChrisKuc: #Blackhawks trim Mac Carruth, Kent Simpson, Ryan Schnell, Kirill Gotovets, Justin Holl and Zach Miskovic from training camp roster.

@TramyersCSN: #Blackhawks assign Mac Carruth and Kent Simpson to Rockford, release Ryan Schnell, Kirill Gotovets, Justin Holl and Zach Miskovic.
- DarthKane

I could be wrong but i thought Justin Holl was a draft pick, no? I might be thinking of someone else.

Your thinking on Johansen makes lots of sense Wiz, however Johansen has a hard nut agent who has the Jackets bent over a barrel. He's the same guy that took the Coyotes to the mat on Kyle Turris. And he looks at the long list of guys the Jackets have on big $ deals and says my guy is better than all of them and they need him the most and without him they don't make the playoffs, so pay me now or move my guy to a team that will. And we both know that there would be an idiot GM who would pay the asking price.
- RickJ

I respect the Jackets for making a stand. The GM's from the outside look like a tight group but your right, made available, any number of them would make a pitch. Heard the KHL has offers in as well. Not pretty in Columbus, shame they are quickly becoming a team to pull for.

I could be wrong but i thought Justin Holl was a draft pick, no? I might be thinking of someone else.
- BlazinMike

Only signed him to an AHL deal. So in essence he's still getting assigned to Rockford if I understand correctly.

I could be wrong but i thought Justin Holl was a draft pick, no? I might be thinking of someone else.
- BlazinMike

Here's how it works.
ALL draft classes are filled with promise.
they are 17-18 yeras old.

Some classes are filled with THICKNESS in the late first and middle second, that provides depth in making the team's selections and others are filled with a giant drop off in prospects who seem like they can go on and rub off all the warts they had on draft day.

In 2020 the Hawks had a huge roster overhaul and they decided to take draft picks in the second round to get more than one choice at getting it right.

The trade up to get Kevin Hayes, the trade out of the Brock Nelson and the subsequent
bust in the selection of the early Isle second rounder on Ludvig Rensfeldt cost them selecting Jon Merrill, Devante Smith-Pelly, Martin Marincin, or Tyler Toffoli.

by pick 50 the class took a plunge in to deciding whether you could find a long term prospect who would pan out, or a player with warts. (too small, too slow,too dumb)
Justin Holl Kent Simpson and Stephan Johns were there and even though teams TALKED about Johns as being a really good USA long term guy, teams saw it as a leap of faith that he would be less than four developemntal years.

Before, developmental time was weighed in more than now, but the last couple years still surprised me when all these SOLID UDA defenders kept slipping down and down, because teams felt immediate replacements were better.

Clearly the combination of the draft class and the kids just not being that great, and the kids not getting developmentally better and Hawk scouting staff not finding the best of the second round bunch hurts.

If they had felt the best route was to move up, they could have easily thrade multiple second rounders to someone, but that puts all your eggs in one basket, so you get fired as a scout if you do that and the kid in the early second or late first poops the end.

Holl played some win and got better as a defender but at this juncture has a long ways to go.

Part if scouting these kids is to decide which ones want it, can get it and will pan out...really not easy to do.

I might be incorrect but I thought they released Holl outright.

Only signed him to an AHL deal. So in essence he's still getting assigned to Rockford if I understand correctly.
- prd797

NHL transaction lingo confuses me sometimes. "Release" means assign to Rockford. Getting "waived" means getting assigned to Rockford. "Salary cap" means getting assigned to Rockford

So confusing

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus 4m
Defensemen out here: Hjalmarsson, Seabrook, Keith, Cumiskey, Dahlbeck, Rozsival. #Blackhawks

No Leddy or Oduya

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus 4m
Defensemen out here: Hjalmarsson, Seabrook, Keith, Cumiskey, Dahlbeck, Rozsival. #Blackhawks

No Leddy or Oduya
- captainserious

They're both been dealt!!!

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus 4m
Defensemen out here: Hjalmarsson, Seabrook, Keith, Cumiskey, Dahlbeck, Rozsival. #Blackhawks

No Leddy or Oduya
- captainserious

Its time ! lol

NHL transaction lingo confuses me sometimes. "Release" means assign to Rockford. Getting "waived" means getting assigned to Rockford. "Salary cap"
- BlazinMikemeans getting assigned to Rockford

So confusing

They are not on cap geek so it is my guess they are not under contract for the Hawks but they are on the Icehogs roster. The hogs as a seperate organization needs to field a team and can sign as is needed.

They're both been dealt!!!
- DarthKane

Really digging Johns' this camp...and really despise this bumhole

They're both been dealt!!!
- DarthKane

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