He just finished his ELC. The offers Columbus has made are on par with the going rate. Johansson's agent has asked for twice as much.
- PhillySportsGuy

I'm not saying what the agent is asking for is right, but those long term numbers are light considering what you see some very average forwards signing for these days.

He probably should just take the 2 years at 6 million and get it over with but idk, maybe there is more to the story. He wouldn't be the first guy to be unhappy about being in that town for a prolonged period of time...

I'm not saying what the agent is asking for is right, but those long term numbers are light considering what you see some very average forwards signing for these days.

He probably should just take the 2 years at 6 million and get it over with but idk, maybe there is more to the story. He wouldn't be the first guy to be unhappy about being in that town for a prolonged period of time...
- hereticpride

Have to look at the contract levels of where players are at. Players who are at UFA eligibility in their career, are going to get more, and should, even if they aren't a better player then Johansen is. He has one 63 point season to his credit, and one 30 goal season. Look at Giroux's contract history! Johansen simply has not earned a mega deal both in terms of production and years of service.

These huge deal being handed out to players coming out of EL deals are what's going to kill the salary market, and push it even more out of hand.

Have to look at the contract levels of where players are at. Players who are at UFA eligibility in their career, are going to get more, and should, even if they aren't a better player then Johansen is. He has one 63 point season to his credit, and one 30 goal season. Look at Giroux's contract history! Johansen simply has not earned a mega deal both in terms of production and years of service.

These huge deal being handed out to players coming out of EL deals are what's going to kill the salary market, and push it even more out of hand.
- MJL

These are all good points. I just cant blame the kid for wanting better long term offers on the table than that. I do think his agent is going overboard. Johansen is the key cog to that current roster and the agent is clearly trying to milk that for all it's worth. That I cant agree with. All in all I don't know what's keeping the two sides from a 2 year 7.5mil deal. That's about as fair as it can get given both sides demands this late in the dance.

But man, I didn't realize this guy was Turris's agent. If this ends in a trade and they don't have that talented first line center then the deal for Hartnell is going to look a lot worse on their end.

6+ million for a dude to grab a broom, chase a piece of rubber and put on shoes with knives at the bottom.

These are all good points. I just cant blame the kid for wanting better long term offers on the table than that. I do think his agent is going overboard. Johansen is the key cog to that current roster and the agent is clearly trying to milk that for all it's worth. That I cant agree with. All in all I don't know what's keeping the two sides from a 2 year 7.5mil deal. That's about as fair as it can get given both sides demands this late in the dance.

But man, I didn't realize this guy was Turris's agent. If this ends in a trade and they don't have that talented first line center then the deal for Hartnell is going to look a lot worse on their end.
- hereticpride

Are you saying 7.5M per year for two years, or 7.5M total?

Are you saying 7.5M per year for two years, or 7.5M total?
- MJL

Total. Definitely total. He's not that crazy.

Total. Definitely total. He's not that crazy.
- hereticpride

I thought so, but wasn't sure. I think you have to allow for a little more for salary inflation. If we compare it to Giroux, who signed a 3 year bridge deal for 3 years for a total of 11.25 for a 3.75M cap hit that started in the 11-12 season. So I think if were looking at a 2 year bridge deal, I think 2 years for a total of 9M with a 4.5M cap hit is a fair offer from my viewpoint.

He just finished his ELC. The offers Columbus has made are on par with the going rate. Johansson's agent has asked for twice as much.
- PhillySportsGuy

They're using Matt Duchene's two yr old deal as a basis and offering him a million less. Duchene got 7 over two. His agent is out of bounds but 6 over 2 isn't going to get it done.

I thought so, but wasn't sure. I think you have to allow for a little more for salary inflation. If we compare it to Giroux, who signed a 3 year bridge deal for 3 years for a total of 11.25 for a 3.75M cap hit that started in the 11-12 season. So I think if were looking at a 2 year bridge deal, I think 2 years for a total of 9M with a 4.5M cap hit is a fair offer from my viewpoint.
- MJL

If I was his agent I could sign that deal and sleep soundly.

They're using Matt Duchene's two yr old deal as a basis and offering him a million less. Duchene got 7 over two. His agent is out of bounds but 6 over 2 isn't going to get it done.
- mayorofangrytown

I wonder how much of this(if any) is the GM trying to not look like a pushover with his first big contract he negotiates? I mean they certainly have the cap room. And it's two years. They aren't going to come close to the cap ceiling either of those years. It's just really odd all around.

If it were me I would come up on the money now for a bridge deal and let him know if he struggles the next two years then the next contract offers will reflect that. So either he earns what he makes over the next two years or you deal with overpaying him a bit for two seasons and come back with a larger sample size of games proving what type of player he really is and work on a fair number from that.

I dunno... both of those guys are coming off incredible breakout seasons. They're saying Lazar has a chance to make the Sens out of camp. Both guys are ahead of Morin on the dev curve already.
- Tomahawk

Morin's offense is behind Zad's but I'll take the much better skater.

Lazar is good but we already have Laughton.

I wonder how much of this(if any) is the GM trying to not look like a pushover with his first big contract he negotiates? I mean they certainly have the cap room. And it's two years. They aren't going to come close to the cap ceiling either of those years. It's just really odd all around.

If it were me I would come up on the money now for a bridge deal and let him know if he struggles the next two years then the next contract offers will reflect that. So either he earns what he makes over the next two years or you deal with overpaying him a bit for two seasons and come back with a larger sample size of games proving what type of player he really is and work on a fair number from that.
- hereticpride

But you have to be careful, because with a 2 year deal, the money can't go down from there.
It's about so much more then cap space.

Morin's offense is behind Zad's but I'll take the much better skater.
- Feanor

Z seems to have displayed a bit more hockey sense so far... thats the kicker for me.

Morin's offense is behind Zad's but I'll take the much better skater.

Lazar is good but we already have Laughton.
- Feanor

There were guys I liked ahead of Morin, too. But he's definitely taken steps forward and remains a very good prospect. That said, I still think Sanheim ends up being the best all around guy of the recently drafted Flyers defensemen at the NHL level.

minimum draft age should be 21

(frank) this waiting 4 years for a pick to be nhl ready

i cant take it

Z seems to have displayed a bit more hockey sense so far... thats the kicker for me.
- Tomahawk

In what manner?

Might be late, but in light of the Harding ankle injury and the Kuemper stalemate, the Wild have invited Bryz in on a PTO

minimum draft age should be 21

(frank) this waiting 4 years for a pick to be nhl ready

i cant take it
- Crimsoninja

No let's force them all right into the NHL as soon as they are drafted

http://www.thehockeynews....rrels-on-johansens-agent/

Columbus has pretty much drawn a line in the sand. They won't trade him and they will play the season without him if he doesn't come back to earth.

They are smartly attacking the agent and not the player.

They're using Matt Duchene's two yr old deal as a basis and offering him a million less. Duchene got 7 over two. His agent is out of bounds but 6 over 2 isn't going to get it done.
- mayorofangrytown

The agent is asking for $12M over 2 years.

Duchene averaged .684 points per game over his first 3 seasons
Johanson averaged .508 points per game over his first 3 seasons

http://www.thehockeynews....rrels-on-johansens-agent/

Columbus has pretty much drawn a line in the sand. They won't trade him and they will play the season without him if he doesn't come back to earth.

They are smartly attacking the agent and not the player.
- PhillySportsGuy

There is a middle ground but both sides seem to be standing firm, you'll see if they open the season and it doesn't go well how fast they cave for him & his offense.

There were guys I liked ahead of Morin, too. But he's definitely taken steps forward and remains a very good prospect. That said, I still think Sanheim ends up being the best all around guy of the recently drafted Flyers defensemen at the NHL level.
- Jsaquella

Ghostisbehere... He can have second.

Might be late, but in light of the Harding ankle injury and the Kuemper stalemate, the Wild have invited Bryz in on a PTO
- Jsaquella

Wow, Harding can't catch a break. Quite a carousel they've had going on in the crease over there the past few years.

Ghostisbehere... He can have second.
- mayorofangrytown

Nope. I think Sanheim will be a better all around player.

The agent is asking for $12M over 2 years.
- PhillySportsGuy

Or more... there's rumours that were discussed today on the radio that he's asking for 42 over 6 yrs.

CBS is coming in low but his agent is pretending he's a 25 yr old UFA. I don't see how it gets done soon.