I dont care to get into it, but the way hockey works is like this:

gm
coach
players
fans

the gm makes the team
the coach makes the game plan/play style with the players the gm gives him
the players play their best game according to the coaches game plan
the fans cheer on the players and chirp them accordingly - which goes hand in hand with the coaching staff

therefore, everyone is to blame. the end.

- Lucas Neilson

Well, according to you about 10 pages ago, the coach tells the GM what to do and tells him to make a trade. ...


And this way of thinking is outdated now a days.

The coach has more influence on a team now a days. The GM signs players who will compliment the coaches system.

Not the other way around. Its rare to find a coach who will make up a completely new system for the players he has. The GM will find players who compliment his system.


Exactly what Nashville did when Lavy was hired.

Sucking?
- Pecafan Fan

No, David Clarkson was the league leader in that.

Legwand played 83 regular season games last year.

Which actually lowered his Suckwick stats (level of suckitude/games played).

Johansen turns down 5.75 for 8 years?? Insane.

Well, according to you about 10 pages ago, the coach tells the GM what to do and tells him to make a trade. ...


And this way of thinking is outdated now a days.

The coach has more influence on a team now a days. The GM signs players who will compliment the coaches system.

Not the other way around.
- jbold

if you sincerely believe that the coach and GM dont talk about who they want to add to the team then i sincerely think you dont understand the basic mechanics of how a team works. any team for that matter.

Johansen turns down 5.75 for 8 years?? Insane.
- burn

wonder if people said the same thing when tavares signed his deal

edit: what i typed makes no sense lol. what i meant to say was i wonder if people thought his deal was insane at the time.

if you sincerely believe that the coach and GM dont talk about who they want to add to the team then i sincerely think you dont understand the basic mechanics of how a team works. any team for that matter.
- Lucas Neilson

"And this way of thinking is outdated now a days.

The coach has more influence on a team now a days. The GM signs players who will compliment the coaches system.

Not the other way around. Its rare to find a coach who will make up a completely new system for the players he has. The GM will find players who compliment his system.


Exactly what Nashville did when Lavy was hired."






And just to poke fun at you. You're the one who said a coach tells a GM to MAKE a trade. So why turn around and say "GM is the one who builds the team with players".... when really, the coach is a big part of that?

wonder if people said the same thing when DiPietro signed his deal
- daeth

Fixed.

Johansen turns down 5.75 for 8 years?? Insane.
- burn

I dunno, big dudes like him dont come around too often, he would be dumb to take 5.7 for 8 years, in say 3 years he could get I dunno 8- 10 per year, its possible

jbold.. settle down or i will settle you down

if you sincerely believe that the coach and GM dont talk about who they want to add to the team then i sincerely think you dont understand the basic mechanics of how a team works. any team for that matter.
- Lucas Neilson

He has no clue..

wonder if people said the same thing when tavares signed his deal
- daeth

insane to sign so low.... but hey he signed. If that is the standard for good young forwards coming out of ELC, then johansen is being ridiculous.

No, David Clarkson was the league leader in that.

Legwand played 83 regular season games last year.

Which actually lowered his Suckwick stats (level of suckitude/games played).
- Atomic Wedgie

what'd I win?

"And this way of thinking is outdated now a days.

The coach has more influence on a team now a days. The GM signs players who will compliment the coaches system.

Not the other way around. Its rare to find a coach who will make up a completely new system for the players he has. The GM will find players who compliment his system.


Exactly what Nashville did when Lavy was hired."






And just to poke fun at you. You're the one who said a coach tells a GM to MAKE a trade. So why turn around and say "GM is the one who builds the team with players".... when really, the coach is a big part of that?
- jbold

i did 100% say that the coach will tell the GM that he thinks a certain void/position needs to be filled. I also think they discuss between one another which player(s) they have in mind, etc.

and i stand behind it.

I dunno, big dudes like him dont come around too often, he would be dumb to take 5.7 for 8 years, in say 3 years he could get I dunno 8- 10 per year, its possible
- PinkSock

Tavares.

wonder if people said the same thing when tavares signed his deal

edit: what i typed makes no sense lol. what i meant to say was i wonder if people thought his deal was insane at the time.
- daeth

Tavares had 81 points the season his contract was up. Before? Had over 50 and 60 his first 2 seasons.

He only makes 5.5 million.


He was already a star. And a first line center.

Johanssen is a lot different. He's demanding big money without actually putting up the points and the play that demands it

Tavares.
- burn

So?

what'd I win?
- burn

A punch in the mouth.

jbold.. settle down or i will settle you down
- Dozzer

How are you,you sexy beast

Tavares had 81 points the season his contract was up. Before? Had over 50 and 60 his first 2 seasons.

He only makes 5.5 million.


He was already a star. And a first line center.

Johanssen is a lot different. He's demanding big money without actually putting up the points and the play that demands it
- jbold

Yeah, but Tavares signed it knowing he was due for a huge pay raise in Toronto.

insane to sign so low.... but hey he signed. If that is the standard for good young forwards coming out of ELC, then johansen is being ridiculous.
- burn

That's the standard for being dumb and signing a long term deal at a cap hit that is way lower than it should be based on your potential.

How are you,you sexy beast
- Yeti1181

He's single now.. So probably really hungover?

How are you,you sexy beast
- Yeti1181

i am fantastic

yourself?

i did 100% say that the coach will tell the GM that he thinks a certain void/position needs to be filled. I also think they discuss between one another which player(s) they have in mind, etc.

and i stand behind it.
- Lucas Neilson

No no no. Stop trying to change what you said.

You said the coach is to blame for not telling Nonis to make a trade...

And thats where I came in saying the coach doesnt get to demand that his boss do something. And that Nonis can see for himself a position needs to be upgraded..



Here's exactly what you said.

' i blame randy for not making adjustments or forcing nonis to make moves so he could make the adjustments.'

Tavares had 81 points the season his contract was up. Before? Had over 50 and 60 his first 2 seasons.

He only makes 5.5 million.


He was already a star. And a first line center.

Johanssen is a lot different. He's demanding big money without actually putting up the points and the play that demands it
- jbold

JT took a huge discount, thats his problem, its now 2014

i am fantastic

yourself?
- Dozzer

Not bad, just waiting to go get Vito from the vet