Here's another huge problem I have with advanced analytics: it's based upon absolute garbage numbers.

Do you know who was second in the NHL in hits last year?

Cody Franson.

Yeah, that's quality data.
- Atomic Wedgie

Such a stupid stat.. I'd rather recieve 200 franson hits than 1 Kronwall hit.

I agree, and I think there is benefits for using advanced stats. But if Kadri makes a nice toe-drag deke to score a goal I don't want to hear about how that goal was scored because of a bunch of numbers. It's kinda like people care less about the game and more about being a detective solving cases.. To each their own I guess.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Are you talking about this goal?

Are you talking about this goal?

- Atomic Wedgie

Add on another year on Friday
- LeafMan

Ill let ya hand out random bans on Friday for your bday

They had a good system.

But no one to score goals.

There's this thing called "talent" that is also part of the equation.
- Pecafan Fan

There's thing thing called talent eh? Leafs have no talent on the backend who can actually play defense other than Dion. He needs a partner...

So.. why are people still blaming the coach, and not looking at the talent of our defense when it comes to actually defending?


And if I really wanted to, I could easily turn around and say its the coaches fault NJ didnt score goals. Their system is a defensive trap system. Offense is their last concern.

Here's another huge problem I have with advanced analytics: it's based upon absolute garbage numbers.

Do you know who was second in the NHL in hits last year?

Cody Franson.

Yeah, that's quality data.
- Atomic Wedgie

hits are not one of the stats used

but this point has also been discussed..years ago and is known

Are you talking about this goal?

- Atomic Wedgie

That's what goals look like to some people.

It isnt Deboers fault NJ couldnt score goals because they lacked offensive talent.

But its Carlyles fault our D couldnt defend even tho our D lacked defensive talent?


Anyone see whats wrong with this? And dont bother telling me 'A system can cover up crappy Dmen', because thats a load of crap.

Michael Arace @MichaelArace1
CBJ media day off to rousing start. JD comes right out and announces what the team has offered Johansen: $6M/2yrs, $32M/6 yrs, $46M/8. Wow.

hits are not one of the stats used

but this point has also been discussed..years ago and is known
- senstroll

But the same $40 a night intern is taking down the stats.

Giveaways? Takeaways?

C'mon.

But the same $40 a night intern is taking down the stats.

Giveaways? Takeaways?

C'mon.
- Atomic Wedgie

The ones who track adv stats for sites, often have different views and definitions of things like this.

Exactly why I like watching the games with my own eyes instead of someone elses

It isnt Deboers fault NJ couldnt score goals because they lacked offensive talent.

But its Carlyles fault our D couldnt defend even tho our D lacked defensive talent?


Anyone see whats wrong with this? And dont bother telling me 'A system can cover of crappy Dmen', because thats a load of crap.
- jbold

Our d man aren't so bad that they should should have given up the most shots in the league in years the system had something to do with it

There's thing thing called talent eh? Leafs have no talent on the backend who can actually play defense other than Dion. He needs a partner...

So.. why are people still blaming the coach, and not looking at the talent of our defense when it comes to actually defending?


And if I really wanted to, I could easily turn around and say its the coaches fault NJ didnt score goals. Their system is a defensive trap system. Offense is their last concern.
- jbold

You can learn to play defense within a system.

Learning to score goals? Yeah, good luck with that.

And here's a great little trivia question for you (no cheating):

What NHL stat was David Legwand the league leader in last year?

And here's a great little trivia question for you (no cheating):

What NHL stat was David Legwand the league leader in last year?
- Atomic Wedgie

Sucking?

There's thing thing called talent eh? Leafs have no talent on the backend who can actually play defense other than Dion. He needs a partner...

So.. why are people still blaming the coach, and not looking at the talent of our defense when it comes to actually defending?


And if I really wanted to, I could easily turn around and say its the coaches fault NJ didnt score goals. Their system is a defensive trap system. Offense is their last concern.
- jbold

this is good if you read it..but from your posts you wont

http://www.thescore.com/news/580411

No team allowed fewer shots than the Devils’ 25.5 per-game average, which translated into 2.38 goals against per game, sixth best in the league. They managed this feat despite finishing last in the NHL in blocked shots, which highlights how few attempts they allowed.

The problem: the numbers looked the same at the other end. They had the third-lowest shots-for total (26.8), while their 2.4 goals per game ranked 27th overall. They were shutout 10 times, a number surpassed by zero teams.

Michael Arace @MichaelArace1
CBJ media day off to rousing start. JD comes right out and announces what the team has offered Johansen: $6M/2yrs, $32M/6 yrs, $46M/8. Wow.




- jbold

Good, lets see what RJ has to say and why he deserves so much more

They had a good system.

But no one to score goals.

There's this thing called "talent" that is also part of the equation.
- Pecafan Fan

Bringing it back to maybe it wasn't all RC maybe some of it was the talent, or the players not sticking to the system....

But the same $40 a night intern is taking down the stats.

Giveaways? Takeaways?

C'mon.
- Atomic Wedgie

yes also dumb.. and not used by them

Good, lets see what RJ has to say and why he deserves so much more
- Yeti1181

What does Mirtle have to say about this? Quick Senstroll, call him up. We all know he's number 2 on your speed dial.

The ones who track adv stats for sites, often have different views and definitions of things like this.

Exactly why I like watching the games with my own eyes instead of someone elses
- jbold

so the ones watching the games and tracking the stats are flawed...but you are correct

Michael Arace @MichaelArace1
CBJ media day off to rousing start. JD comes right out and announces what the team has offered Johansen: $6M/2yrs, $32M/6 yrs, $46M/8. Wow.




- jbold

Give him a one year deal at $3M. If he plays well again pay up or trade him.

Those 6 and 8 year deals are a joke.

There's thing thing called talent eh? Leafs have no talent on the backend who can actually play defense other than Dion. He needs a partner...

So.. why are people still blaming the coach, and not looking at the talent of our defense when it comes to actually defending?


And if I really wanted to, I could easily turn around and say its the coaches fault NJ didnt score goals. Their system is a defensive trap system. Offense is their last concern.
- jbold

I dont care to get into it, but the way hockey works is like this:

gm
coach
players
fans

the gm makes the team
the coach makes the game plan/play style with the players the gm gives him
the players play their best game according to the coaches game plan
the fans cheer on the players and chirp them accordingly - which goes hand in hand with the coaching staff

therefore, everyone is to blame. the end.

It isnt Deboers fault NJ couldnt score goals because they lacked offensive talent.

But its Carlyles fault our D couldnt defend even tho our D lacked defensive talent?


Anyone see whats wrong with this? And dont bother telling me 'A system can cover of crappy Dmen', because thats a load of crap.
- jbold

I think it's fair to say the leafs weakness was defence, and the Devils weakness was offence. Rielly and Gardiner have boat loads of talent and will sharpen up their defensive game with time. Robidas helps..

And here's a great little trivia question for you (no cheating):

What NHL stat was David Legwand the league leader in last year?
- Atomic Wedgie

games played - 83