Ogi going pacifist?

FWIW

TT made number 5 on NHL.com's list of to prospects today. Right behind Sam Reinhart - this year's #2 pick - and ahead of Ekblad - this year's #1.

Guess they aren't reading the evaluations here....

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=729391

3 writers and 3 NHL scouts voted the rankings. Clendening was 56th.
- tredbrta

I myself dabbled in pacifism at one point. Not in Nam, of course.

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Who is this guy ? Anyone know .....


Interesting anyways ..... he or she doesnt name names either... Soon my friends , soon we will know...
- mrpaulish

I would be calling Stanbo too if I was Marc Bergevin and had a forward group made up of stiffs like PA Parenteau, Manny Maholtra, Rene Bourque and David Deharnais.

Bergy better be willing to deal his #1 draft pick to get anything back that is good.

There seems to be a disconnect with Clendening. Many fans think he's not NHL ready, but most of the NHL writers (etc) view him as a top prospect.

There seems to be a disconnect with Clendening. Many fans think he's not NHL ready, but most of the NHL writers (etc) view him as a top prospect.
- DarthKane

It depends on how you want to view it, and how much of this is hype?

If this was a non-playoff, bottom-third of the league team with room to give a kid a shot, then I would believe that Clendening would have a shot at winning a job in camp.

Since the Hawks are not in that boat, that doesn't help Clendening's chances.

To further exacerbate Clendening's situation, he's a right handed shot that is stuck behind Rundblad at this point for a offensive-minded defenseman. Then there is Johns, who could eventually push for a job sooner rather than later on the right side.

Otherwise, the offensive side of his game is closer to NHL quality on the 3rd paring at this point. His game in his own end stinks.

It depends on how you want to view it, and how much of this is hype?

If this was a non-playoff, bottom-third of the league team with room to give a kid a shot, then I would believe that Clendening would have a shot at winning a job in camp.

Since the Hawks are not in that boat, that doesn't help Clendening's chances.

To further exacerbate Clendening's situation, he's a right handed shot that is stuck behind Rundblad at this point for a offensive-minded defenseman. Then there is Johns, who could eventually push for a job sooner rather than later on the right side.

Otherwise, the offensive side of his game is closer to NHL quality on the 3rd paring at this point. His game in his own end stinks.
- EKolb13

I agree about a Rundblad, I'm looking forward to seeing what he does this season. But over the next couple seasons we'll need 1-2 of the Rockford defensemen to make the jump to the show.

I agree about a Rundblad, I'm looking forward to seeing what he does this season. But over the next couple seasons we'll need 1-2 of the Rockford defensemen to make the jump to the show.
- DarthKane

Maybe 3-4: they still have to re-sign Seabrook after next year - he'll command $8MM PLUS.

Maybe 3-4: they still have to re-sign Seabrook after next year - he'll command $8MM PLUS.
- StLBravesFan

Agreed.

It's going to be interesting to see what Bowman does with the cap next summer. As it sits now, 15 players eat up approximately $65.8 million in cap room for '15-'16. That's without re-signing anyone. If you give the cap a generous $5 million raise to $74 million for that season, that's $8 million to spread out to eight roster spots. How much of that are Saad, Kruger and Leddy (if he's still here?) going to eat up out of that $8 million?

There will be some bodies moving next summer and the summer after that.

I would be calling Stanbo too if I was Marc Bergevin and had a forward group made up of stiffs like PA Parenteau, Manny Maholtra, Rene Bourque and David Deharnais.

Bergy better be willing to deal his #1 draft pick to get anything back that is good.
- RickJ

Eller, Tinordi, mid-level prospect, & 2015 1st for Sharp & Oduya

Eller, Tinordi, mid-level prospect, & 2015 1st for Sharp & Oduya
- Dannyboy

Yes Please, Thank you!

Eller, Tinordi, mid-level prospect, & 2015 1st for Sharp & Oduya
- Dannyboy

I like Eller but at a cap hit of $3.5 million Stan is only saving $2.4 million over Sharp. That's fine for this season but beyond that Stan will need to clear more cap space.

I wouldn't mind getting Emelin, that would solidify our top 4 and both Oduya and Leddy could be expendable.

The Leddy vs Oduya debate is a tough one and I think it comes down to the contract each of them is seeking. Leddy is 23 and has 4 seasons under his belt. The only other guys I think that are in that category are Cam Fowler and Oliver Ekman-Larsson.

OEL makes $5.5 million and Fowler makes $4.0 million. I don't think Leddy is quite as good as either of those guys buy those will be the contracts Leddy's agent uses to negotiate. I believe that Leddy's next deal will be much closer to Fowler's than OEL's. $4 million is a lot to pay for a 3rd pairing defenseman, so Stan and company will need to believe Leddy can be top 4 to get that kind of money.

It's been pubished that Oduya would take a cap friendly deal, but who knows what that actually means. On the open market Oduya would get close to $5 million given the type of contract we just saw guys like Fayne get.
- DarthKane

Bingo, Towes and Kane took home team discounts. Oduya may choose to take 3.5-4 for a couple years.

Bingo, Towes and Kane took home team discounts. Oduya may choose to take 3.5-4 for a couple years.
- Cup-Bearer

If it's for 2-3 years max and for $4 million or under I say it's time to send Leddy packing.

I'm not seeing it. If the Hawks do not bring in another physical presence by October 9th, I'd fully expect for the Hawks to try out Bass, Mashinter, and Labrie before looking at Johns. That's provided that there is even any cap room to do so.

The idea of Johns possibly getting a look mid-season is something I'd be willing to buy.
- EKolb13

I also think that Johns is going to asked to lead by example in Rockford but you simply never know. He has never been a guy shy of contact or what comes with it.
I think he was careful in his initial engagements with the Icehogs to stay focused on other phases of development, but you simply don't know what winning roster spots brings out.
Every year there are guys across the league on dee who play and make the GMs have to decide.

You gotta think that there will be some agression added but like you I am puzzled if they are out looking, or ready to elevate their already signed minor pro punchers.

I know a lot to the older fans may not like the next statement, but Portland Buckaroo and permannet Chicagoen/HS coach Gerry Korab was never this super solid defender as much as he was willing to embrace the role and do his best on the back end.
(I am sorry if burst some nostagic balloons of his values 7 abilities.)
So that COULD happen with Johns...

If it's for 2-3 years max and for $4 million or under I say it's time to send Leddy packing.
- EKolb13

I think Leddy demands a 4-6 year @ 5million plus. Especially if he plays well this contract year. Which I think he will. Keeping Oduya, even if he drops down to a third pairing brings stability positioned next to a newbee

Eller, Tinordi, mid-level prospect, & 2015 1st for Sharp & Oduya
- Dannyboy

So Tinordi stays on the Hawks and on the job trains and is a role player, Eller (who they are NOT TRADING EITHER) is the same Jeckyll Hyde that looks like he is there and then disappears....

In the mean time we just gave away a 30 goal scorer and the top four defender.

no thanks

There seems to be a disconnect with Clendening. Many fans think he's not NHL ready, but most of the NHL writers (etc) view him as a top prospect.
- DarthKane

That's why they WRITE and don't truly scout.

They feed off the draft lists and farm club rosters.

Every team gives sound bites of glowing praise of their farm guys...it helps build interest.

Hey the kid can move and has a flair with the puck, so does Runbland.

So he's been in Chicago all summer with TT,Johnsy, and others determined to get stronger and win a spot...nothing wrong with that.

maybe he makes the press experts.

Bingo, Towes and Kane took home team discounts. Oduya may choose to take 3.5-4 for a couple years.
- Cup-Bearer

Wasn't that dicussed here a while ago? i thought someone had posted something to that effect. If this is TRUE in that Oduya would take a home town discount i would rather have Oduya stay considering the chemistry that he and hammer have. Leddy is a decent d-man hell he might even be great only if he can get it together. leddy has been here what 3 seasons maybe longer and he keeps making the same mistakes it just drives me crazy but considering his age and the tools he has i guess maybe you would not want to give up on him becouse it may come back and haunt us who knows. However you know his agent will be asking for 4mm or better for his next contract to that i say no way becouse he aint proved to be a top 4 D-man yet. At times he seems Brain dead out on the ice.

Maybe 3-4: they still have to re-sign Seabrook after next year - he'll command $8MM PLUS.
- StLBravesFan

You give Seabrook 8 or more, you have to like the Keith contract alot.

Wasn't that dicussed here a while ago? i thought someone had posted something to that effect. If this is TRUE in that Oduya would take a home town discount i would rather have Oduya stay considering the chemistry that he and hammer have. Leddy is a decent d-man hell he might even be great only if he can get it together. leddy has been here what 3 seasons maybe longer and he keeps making the same mistakes it just drives me crazy but considering his age and the tools he has i guess maybe you would not want to give up on him becouse it may come back and haunt us who knows. However you know his agent will be asking for 4mm or better for his next contract to that i say no way becouse he aint proved to be a top 4 D-man yet. At times he seems Brain dead out on the ice.
- BGKarras

BG, I think there is a good chance it has, probably in different packages, probably more than once. Thankfully we are real close to rookie tournys, preseason and regular season. Then we can repackage and discuss it at length, tossing in their current performances.

I also think that Johns is going to asked to lead by example in Rockford but you simply never know. He has never been a guy shy of contact or what comes with it.
I think he was careful in his initial engagements with the Icehogs to stay focused on other phases of development, but you simply don't know what winning roster spots brings out.
Every year there are guys across the league on dee who play and make the GMs have to decide.

You gotta think that there will be some agression added but like you I am puzzled if they are out looking, or ready to elevate their already signed minor pro punchers.

I know a lot to the older fans may not like the next statement, but Portland Buckaroo and permannet Chicagoen/HS coach Gerry Korab was never this super solid defender as much as he was willing to embrace the role and do his best on the back end.
(I am sorry if burst some nostagic balloons of his values 7 abilities.)
So that COULD happen with Johns...
- wiz1901

A Buckaroo reference! What is it? 30 years since they last saw the ice? You can still see folks wearing the sweater at the game.

If it's for 2-3 years max and for $4 million or under I say it's time to send Leddy packing.
- EKolb13

I would agree 100% with this.

Replacing Leddy on the Blackhawks means replacing a 3rd pairing defenseman who plays 16 minutes per game and they are generally very protected minutes (including 2 minutes per game on the PP). I feel a lot more comfortable with Oduya on the ice than Leddy, regardless of the situation.

Although keeping Oduya over Leddy (if it comes down to that) would be my choice I understand the argument that Leddy is only 23 year has 4 NHL seasons under his belt. I don't think this will be an easy decision for Stan but will be interesting to see how it plays out.

It's nice to see this board willing to give Rundblad a chance. I know that means nothing when it comes to what happens on the ice but it makes for a more interesting conversation than "Rundblad sucks".

I also think that Johns is going to asked to lead by example in Rockford but you simply never know. He has never been a guy shy of contact or what comes with it.
I think he was careful in his initial engagements with the Icehogs to stay focused on other phases of development, but you simply don't know what winning roster spots brings out.
Every year there are guys across the league on dee who play and make the GMs have to decide.

You gotta think that there will be some agression added but like you I am puzzled if they are out looking, or ready to elevate their already signed minor pro punchers.

I know a lot to the older fans may not like the next statement, but Portland Buckaroo and permannet Chicagoen/HS coach Gerry Korab was never this super solid defender as much as he was willing to embrace the role and do his best on the back end.
(I am sorry if burst some nostagic balloons of his values 7 abilities.)
So that COULD happen with Johns...
- wiz1901

In his day, King Kong Korab was probably the biggest player in the NHL. Still remembered fondly in Buffalo. Looked after guys that wanted to intimidate Gil Perrault and a few of the other smaller Sabres.

BG, I think there is a good chance it has, probably in different packages, probably more than once. Thankfully we are real close to rookie tournys, preseason and regular season. Then we can repackage and discuss it at length, tossing in their current performances.
- Cup-Bearer

Agreed I just can't wait till the season starts again I am going through Hockey withdrawal!!!!!!

It's nice to see this board willing to give Rundblad a chance. I know that means nothing when it comes to what happens on the ice but it makes for a more interesting conversation than "Rundblad sucks".
- DarthKane

The posts of Rundblad being bad might show up again once the season starts. This is just the calm before the storm hits...

I would agree 100% with this.

Replacing Leddy on the Blackhawks means replacing a 3rd pairing defenseman who plays 16 minutes per game and they are generally very protected minutes (including 2 minutes per game on the PP). I feel a lot more comfortable with Oduya on the ice than Leddy, regardless of the situation.

Although keeping Oduya over Leddy (if it comes down to that) would be my choice I understand the argument that Leddy is only 23 year has 4 NHL seasons under his belt. I don't think this will be an easy decision for Stan but will be interesting to see how it plays out.

It's nice to see this board willing to give Rundblad a chance. I know that means nothing when it comes to what happens on the ice but it makes for a more interesting conversation than "Rundblad sucks".
- DarthKane

Runblad's competition in camp will be Cumiskey and Clendening for the #7 Dman spot. Any or all of the 3 need to be at least adequate in their own end or Q will have a seizure by 3rd day of training camp and none of them will dress for an NHL game until January.