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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 4 @ 9:12 AM ET
Who here would pay Krejci 7.25 Mill per season??

I sure as hell would'nt

- GOA88



I sure as hell would. Great deal for the Bruins.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Sep 4 @ 9:13 AM ET
Agents everywhere working off the Kane and Toews deals now I'm sure. Thank god we locked up G and Jake when we did.

Bobby Ryan could get 8 million as the top free agent next year. Yikes.

- hereticpride

Kane and Toews really worked over that Hawks GM. They are good but they arent the best.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Sep 4 @ 9:14 AM ET
I sure as hell would. Great deal for the Bruins.
- MJL

You value him more than I do.....

Now if that was Bergeron I would say thats about right.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 4 @ 9:16 AM ET
Who here would pay Krejci 7.25 Mill per season??

I sure as hell would'nt

- GOA88


He's been a huge part of their success over the last six years. 351 points in 442 regular season games, and 72 points in 86 playoff games. He's also a solid faceoff guy, a strong defender and is rarely injured.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 4 @ 9:18 AM ET
You value him more than I do.....

Now if that was Bergeron I would say thats about right.

- GOA88



I like the term... no sense in signing him past his 35th bday... if they had to trade a higher cap-hit for that, that's OK IMO.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 4 @ 9:19 AM ET
Agents everywhere working off the Kane and Toews deals now I'm sure. Thank god we locked up G and Jake when we did.

Bobby Ryan could get 8 million as the top free agent next year. Yikes.

- hereticpride


If Jake has two more 60-70 point seasons, it's going to take something like a seven year, $50 million deal to keep him here. And I'd be OK with that because he will only be 27, and like Krejci he's been very durable so far.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 4 @ 9:22 AM ET
Just curious: Is this a conscious effort on the part of the Flyers to bring in teammates of guys they've drafted in order to get a closer look at a specific player or to maybe find a new way to evaluate players they've already drafted?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 4 @ 9:23 AM ET
He's been a huge part of their success over the last six years. 351 points in 442 regular season games, and 72 points in 86 playoff games. He's also a solid faceoff guy, a strong defender and is rarely injured.
- Feanor


You could argue that when Mike Richards put Krejci out with a solid hit in that 2010 playoff series that that was the turning point of that series.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 4 @ 9:26 AM ET
I sure as hell would. Great deal for the Bruins.
- MJL

definitely
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 4 @ 9:35 AM ET
You could argue that when Mike Richards put Krejci out with a solid hit in that 2010 playoff series that that was the turning point of that series.
- johndewar


It probably was. That was such an important play.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Sep 4 @ 9:40 AM ET
Hypothetically, if the Flyers wanted to make room for Alderson on the 4th line at some point during the season by sending Rinaldo to the AHL, do think the fact he's signed for three more seasons means he would get thru waivers?
- Feanor

I'm not Bill but I would think so. It depends on how he is playing at the time and the other GMs' needs obviously. Does the fact that it is three years versus 1 year make a difference, I don't know. I suggested it as a joke yesterday.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Sep 4 @ 9:40 AM ET
Bottom-six seems to be his career potential... hopefully he can be a good one for us. And yeah... he's got


- Tomahawk

Well played. Great gif.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Sep 4 @ 9:44 AM ET
Just curious: Is this a conscious effort on the part of the Flyers to bring in teammates of guys they've drafted in order to get a closer look at a specific player or to maybe find a new way to evaluate players they've already drafted?
- johndewar

I was noticing the same pattern. However, each of those players deserves a look just based on past spurts of accomplishment IMHO. Seems odd they were not drafted but then again, many good players were never drafted.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Sep 4 @ 9:44 AM ET
You could argue that when Mike Richards put Krejci out with a solid hit in that 2010 playoff series that that was the turning point of that series.
- johndewar

Or maybe the fact that Simon Gagne returned from injury and Leighton came in for Boucher??
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Sep 4 @ 9:46 AM ET
What's your take on lier ? Seems like a late bloomer and has a decent frame. I still can't believe you guys got rid of that McGinn kid I loved him he had some skill a ton of heart and never backed down
- blizzzard


Leier has excellent speed and two-way game. He's got a shot at an NHL career as a quality bottom-six forward if he continues to develop.

I think JS hit the nail on the head with his assessment of McGinn.

GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Sep 4 @ 9:46 AM ET
If Jake has two more 60-70 point seasons, it's going to take something like a seven year, $50 million deal to keep him here. And I'd be OK with that because he will only be 27, and like Krejci he's been very durable so far.
- Feanor

Personally, If I'm paying Voracek 7+ mill a season he better be an elite RW. Maybe 7 mill isnt bad with the cap going up but Im thinking in the present.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 4 @ 9:51 AM ET
You value him more than I do.....

Now if that was Bergeron I would say thats about right.

- GOA88



Not as an exact comparison, but Krejci is their Giroux. While Couturier is our Bergeron if you get what I'm saying. Krejci is probably a better all around player then Giroux is. And is underrated.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Sep 4 @ 9:53 AM ET
Not as an exact comparison, but Krejci is their Giroux. While Couturier is our Bergeron if you get what I'm saying. Krejci is probably a better all around player then Giroux is. And is underrated.
- MJL

Well if youre gonna go that far than you could say that Krejci is a better all around player than Crosby. Crosby and Giroux are defensively sound enough while putting up elite offensive numbers. Krejci is tier 2. Giroux and Crosby Tier 1
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 4 @ 9:54 AM ET
Agents everywhere working off the Kane and Toews deals now I'm sure. Thank god we locked up G and Jake when we did.

Bobby Ryan could get 8 million as the top free agent next year. Yikes.

- hereticpride



Trust me, as salaries escalate, deals that Giroux and Krejci signed for are flat out steals.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 4 @ 9:55 AM ET
Trust me, as salaries escalate, deals that Giroux and Krejci signed for are flat out steals.
- MJL

Remember when a $5m was outrageous? Good times.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Sep 4 @ 9:55 AM ET
Trust me, as salaries escalate, deals that Giroux and Krejci signed for are flat out steals.
- MJL

You're probably right. By the time Stamkos is eligible for free agency he'll demand over 12 mill.
GOA88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.02.2013

Sep 4 @ 9:56 AM ET
Remember when a $5m was outrageous? Good times.
- BulliesPhan87

When? At the time the cap was first implemented? I remember Lindros getting paid 9 mill in the late 90's
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Sep 4 @ 9:56 AM ET
Not as an exact comparison, but Krejci is their Giroux. While Couturier is our Bergeron if you get what I'm saying. Krejci is probably a better all around player then Giroux is. And is underrated.
- MJL


SEASON GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW S S%
REGULAR SEASON 80 19 50 69 39 28 3 0 6 169 11.2
LEAGUE RANK 114TH 102ND 9TH 19TH 1ST 360TH 163RD 137TH 15TH 115TH 193RD
PLAYOFF STATS 12 0 4 4 -3 4 0 0 0 25 0.0
LEAGUE RANK 108TH 198TH 71ST 115TH 281ST 147TH 82ND 18TH 70TH 71ST 198TH

0 goals, 4 assists, -3 in two rounds in the POs this year (yes he has been a beast in the past). If G gave us that we would be screwed. Go take a cold shower and cool off the hot feelings for the Boston boy. Bergeron makes almost 2M less then him per. It's not a terrible deal but not amazing. Also less then Gs, wonder why?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 4 @ 9:56 AM ET
Well if youre gonna go that far than you could say that Krejci is a better all around player than Crosby. Crosby and Giroux are defensively sound enough while putting up elite offensive numbers. Krejci is tier 2. Giroux and Crosby Tier 1
- GOA88



That's because Crosby is far and away an elite offensive player, with Giroux not far behind. Krejci isn't in their class offensively, but not far behind. But Krejci is more sound defensively, and in playing away from the puck. While still putting up high offensive numbers.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 4 @ 9:57 AM ET
Or maybe the fact that Simon Gagne returned from injury and Leighton came in for Boucher??
- GOA88


Boucher wasn't playing particularly poorly. Remember, he and Leighton split the Game 5 shutout. When Krejci went down, that was a major blow to Boston's offense. Gagne definitely helped, but Boston probably gets 3-4 more goals with Krejci in the lineup over the series.
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