thoughts on Brassards $25 million contract? In what world does RJ deserve 1/2 of what Brassard makes?
- GardinerExpress

brassard had a 3.25 mil bridge for 3 years , 5 mil is pretty much his ceiling , Johanson will earn way more after his bridge provided he doesn't regress.

thoughts on Brassards $25 million contract? In what world does RJ deserve 1/2 of what Brassard makes?
- GardinerExpress

Apples and oranges.

You should be using stepan as a comparable. In what world does RJ deserve double what stepan makes?

He is clearly their BEST forward! (thats why)
The Rag's had no cap room, Stepan, (like Zuccarello), had no choice to take $3.5 million, where was his extra $$$ coming from? They were capped out paying $17 million combined to Nash & King Henrick.

Jarmo has a tough sell playing this game with all that cap space, Johansen is his best forward, he has tons of cap space, thats why his agent is playing this, (and you try thinking differently if you were him, when scrubs are getting at least $4 million thrown at them in this league).

Here's another question, why are they lowballing his 2 year bridge offer, compared to what Bobrovsky received????
- puckhead17

You never know who made the first offer. Say it was RJ agent and he puts 7 million on the table. If you want to be somewhere in the 5s you start at 4. My guess at this point no one wants to be the first to put a new number out.

Personnally I would do something like 4.5 and 5.7 for two years, but I think part of the problem is his agent.

You never know who made the first offer. Say it was RJ agent and he puts 7 million on the table. If you want to be somewhere in the 5s you start at 4. My guess at this point no one wants to be the first to put a new number out.

Personnally I would do something like 4.5 and 5.7 for two years, but I think part of the problem is his agent.
- bjacket

Dont forget that after the deal runs out, he has to be qualified at a salary thats 10% higher than the final years salary. So if he signs that deal, he's guaranteed to be offered over $6M on his next deal or he gets to enter UFA.

Not sure why a team like the Oilers wouldn't send RJ an offer sheet. 2nd line center that they desperately need. Allows Leon to develope properly.

You never know who made the first offer. Say it was RJ agent and he puts 7 million on the table. If you want to be somewhere in the 5s you start at 4. My guess at this point no one wants to be the first to put a new number out.

Personnally I would do something like 4.5 and 5.7 for two years, but I think part of the problem is his agent.
- bjacket

Part of the problem you say, this is the same guy that made turris, kesler, dubinsky and other hold out, he is the problem.

Apples and oranges.

You should be using stepan as a comparable. In what world does RJ deserve double what stepan makes?
- rangerdanger94

Johansen is a better player. He wont get 2x on a bridge but if he signs a long term, then he deserves what guys like RNH,Eberle,Duchene, Skinner etc make.

bridge 4mil x 2 years.
long term 6 milo x 6 years

Not sure why a team like the Oilers wouldn't send RJ an offer sheet. 2nd line center that they desperately need. Allows Leon to develope properly.
- K-man25

Because the offer sheet would have north of 8 million for the Jackets to even hesitate in matching for it.

Not sure why a team like the Oilers wouldn't send RJ an offer sheet. 2nd line center that they desperately need. Allows Leon to develope properly.
- K-man25

good chance they would have to give up a shot at McDavid. Jackets would match anything under 6.7, and anything over would likely give the jackets two top 10 picks, and a 2nd and 3rd

stuff like this makes me look at JT's contract and breathe a huge sigh of relief.

Because the offer sheet would have north of 8 million for the Jackets to even hesitate in matching for it.
- blacksheep1

I want RJ on my team for sure, but 4 1 st rounders is pretty costly for any player.

If the Oilers did it, I wouldn't be mad because we'd get a young big centre back and don't need to rush Draisaitl.

Personally, I'd rather work out a deal around Eberle for Johansen. Eberle + of course.

stuff like this makes me look at JT's contract and breathe a huge sigh of relief.
- Isles_since_6

Same with me and Hall

Johansen is a better player. He wont get 2x on a bridge but if he signs a long term, then he deserves what guys like RNH,Eberle,Duchene, Skinner etc make.

bridge 4mil x 2 years.
long term 6 milo x 6 years
- GardinerExpress

In what way is RJ's season last year better than Stepan's season where he was coming off his ELC? Stepan scored at a .92 PPG clip and RJ scored at a .77 PPG clip.

In his first 3 seasons in the league, Stepan scored 140 points in 212 games for a .66 PPG rate. RJ in his first 3 seasons in the league scored 96 points in 189 games for a .51 PPG rate.

In his career, Stepan has 197 points in 294 games (.67 PPG). RJ has 96 points in 189 games (.51 PPG). RJ will need to score 101 points in the next 105 games to get to match the production Stepan put up in his first 4 years.

Dont forget that after the deal runs out, he has to be qualified at a salary thats 10% higher than the final years salary. So if he signs that deal, he's guaranteed to be offered over $6M on his next deal or he gets to enter UFA.
- rangerdanger94

That is the concession made to get the lower number for two years. Maybe 5.5 not 5.7, but in that area. If he does pan out the number will be north of 6 anyway.

In what way is RJ's season last year better than Stepan's season where he was coming off his ELC? Stepan scored at a .92 PPG clip and RJ scored at a .77 PPG clip.

In his first 3 seasons in the league, Stepan scored 140 points in 212 games for a .66 PPG rate. RJ in his first 3 seasons in the league scored 96 points in 189 games for a .51 PPG rate.

In his career, Stepan has 197 points in 294 games (.67 PPG). RJ has 96 points in 189 games (.51 PPG). RJ will need to score 101 points in the next 105 games to get to match the production Stepan put up in his first 4 years.
- rangerdanger94

It's not, that's why 7 million is crazy.

This type of mentality is why you guys have those albatross amac and streit contracts on the books.

Jarmo is doing his job and you armchair GMs are ready to hand johansen a blank check

Comical. Everybody here ripping CBJ for not giving johansen anything he wants are the same people calling ROR a selfish overpaid douche. ROR > johansen and is getting paid less than what johansen wants. If Jarmo caves and johansen regresses a bit everyone here ripping on jarmo now will be calling him an idiot for signing him for so long and so much money
- rangerdanger94

Again: It's fine to point out mistakes the Flyers have made yet ignore what they have done well.

The person who brought up ROR is you -- and that isn't what this conversation is about. If you want to turn it into that, then fine: the Avalanche clearly have an internal budget where nobody gets more than Matt Duchene. But O'Reilly's argument has been that he is as good or better than Duchene and should be compensated accordingly.

That is what this has to do with Ryan Johansen: What he is worth to the team. Saying that he isn't worth $6 million right now, then fine, you can say that. But Nathan Hortson has never, as in NEVER, scored as many goals or points in a season as Johansen did last season, and Columbus had no problems signing him to a seven-year contract at an AAV of $5.3 million -- and his point totals have dropped for five straight seasons as his games missed/injury history have increased.

And that is what Johansen and his agent are saying: Opening up your wallet to Nathan Horton, who could easily be viewed as an injury-prone player with declining production, is fine, but you can't do a long-term deal with me, because my youth is a risk?

That is the argument -- and it is a valid one, if you are Ryan Johansen. Just because he did it for one year shouldn't mean he gets a blank check...but you gave one to Nathan Horton, who is not the player Johansen is now.

And by the way, the Rags, of all franchises, don't get to,call,out the Flyers for bad contracts -- nobody has forgotten Wade Redden's 6x6 that you buried in the minors and then bought out, and big, bad Brad Richards.

Again: glass houses and stones, Rags supporters. You got stuff in your closet, too.

Again: It's fine to point out mistakes the Flyers have made yet ignore what they have done well.

The person who brought up ROR is you -- and that isn't what this conversation is about. If you want to turn it into that, then fine: the Avalanche clearly have an internal budget where nobody gets more than Matt Duchene. But O'Reilly's argument has been that he is as good or better than Duchene and should be compensated accordingly.

That is what this has to do with Ryan Johansen: What he is worth to the team. Saying that he isn't worth $6 million right now, then fine, you can say that. But Nathan Hortson has never, as in NEVER, scored as many goals or points in a season as Johansen did last season, and Columbus had no problems signing him to a seven-year contract at an AAV of $5.3 million -- and his point totals have dropped for five straight seasons as his games missed/injury history have increased.

And that is what Johansen and his agent are saying: Opening up your wallet to Nathan Horton, who could easily be viewed as an injury-prone player with declining production, is fine, but you can't do a long-term deal with me, because my youth is a risk?

That is the argument -- and it is a valid one, if you are Ryan Johansen. Just because he did it for one year shouldn't mean he gets a blank check...but you gave one to Nathan Horton, who is not the player Johansen is now.
- AllInForFlyers

Nathan Horton was an unrestricted free agent. Ryan Johansen is a restricted free agent with no arbitration rights. Negotiation is about leverage. Jarmo is doing his job. RJ's agent is doing his job too. But RJ's agent will ultimately lose if Jarmo sticks to his guns because unless RJ gets an offer sheet thrown his way, his only other leverage is sitting out for an entire season or sign before December 1st and I think Johansen would rather collect a $4 million paycheck per year for 2 years on a bridge deal than sit out an entire year unemployed.

And by the way, the Rags, of all franchises, don't get to,call,out the Flyers for bad contracts -- nobody has forgotten Wade Redden's 6x6 that you buried in the minors and then bought out, and big, bad Brad Richards.

Again: glass houses and stones, Rags supporters. You got stuff in your closet, too.
- AllInForFlyers

The Redden contract was 6 years ago. The Richards contract was more recent, but still 3 years ago. The Flyers have signed the Lecav, Streit, Amac, and Bryz contracts all since the Richards contract. You can rip on the Rangers for their old ways...but you're really just ripping on your own team's current ways.