I think you missed point. And for a baseball player to go from benchwarmer to super star at the age of 27 is rare in both sports. I am only raising the point that not every player follows the accepted narrative.
- James_Tanner

Using baseball as a precedent for an older player is breaking out is a mixed bag as even today, that sport is damaged with Steriod and HGH abuse.

Even though he was never linked to it, Bautista name has always been questioned, as his break out seasons just happened right around the time of the Mitchell Reports.

Players in the late 2000s probably will never get full credit for their achievements since of the heavy usage that surrounded the sport

Except that baseball players peak in their 30s (except for stolen bases) and Edwin Encarnacion was a pretty good player with Cincinnati before injuries got to him and Bautista is probably juicing. But other than that, you've done a great job comparing apples to oranges.
- Sandus

To call Bautista a juicer is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life. EE was not in anyway a good player on Cinci, in fact the Jays DFA'd him two or three years later.

Also, I wasn't comparing anything. But sure, be snarky and don't even attempt to understand the point I was making. Yawn.

To call Bautista a juicer is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life. EE was not in anyway a good player on Cinci, in fact the Jays DFA'd him two or three years later.

Also, I wasn't comparing anything. But sure, be snarky and don't even attempt to understand the point I was making. Yawn.
- James_Tanner

it's good to communicate with your readers and everything, but it's trash like this that turn people off of your blogs.

Using baseball as a precedent for an older player is breaking out is a mixed bag as even today, that sport is damaged with Steriod and HGH abuse.

Even though he was never linked to it, Bautista name has always been questioned, as his break out seasons just happened right around the time of the Mitchell Reports.

Players in the late 2000s probably will never get full credit for their achievements since of the heavy usage that surrounded the sport
- DDM-Coga

I am not talking about a precedent. I am simply making the point that one shouldn't get locked into convienant narratives regarding player development. Those are just two prominent examples. You could point to Kunitz in hockey who cracked 30 for the first time at age 34. There'r probly a dozen examples. But the whole point is just don't believe that bc something usually happens that it will always happen.


And Bautista is 100% vindicated. Not in anyway associated with with the Mitchel report except by idiots who couldn't believe he was so good.

it's good to communicate with your readers and everything, but it's trash like this that turn people off of your blogs.
- BINGO!

I see your point, but come on, what he said was ridiculous on every level. Plus it's all in good fun anyway. I can't sit here and pretend he had a valid point, but you are right. Sometimes you get a little annoyed and hit submit before you fully think it through. My apologies if I hurt anyone's feelings.

I see your point, but come on, what he said was ridiculous on every level. Plus it's all in good fun anyway. I can't sit here and pretend he had a valid point, but you are right. Sometimes you get a little annoyed and hit submit before you fully think it through. My apologies if I hurt anyone's feelings.
- James_Tanner

Hey I don't disagree with you. And as one who writes elsewhere on the net, I know how frustrating it can be when your point is seemingly ignored or spun to serve a different purpose. All good, sir.

I am not talking about a precedent. I am simply making the point that one shouldn't get locked into convienant narratives regarding player development. Those are just two prominent examples. You could point to Kunitz in hockey who cracked 30 for the first time at age 34. There'r probly a dozen examples. But the whole point is just don't believe that bc something usually happens that it will always happen.


And Bautista is 100% vindicated. Not in anyway associated with with the Mitchel report except by idiots who couldn't believe he was so good.
- James_Tanner

Im not saying he was using, but those years especially are tough for anyone to really get full credit for what they have accomplished. He dramatically peaked for 2 seasons hitting 54 and 43 home runs and then gone back down high 20s.

His name has always been speculated just based on the timing of the reports coming out where you see a guy go from 13 hrs to 54 hrs. Thats just how much of a black eye that sport recieved from the extensive usage. If anyone puts up unexpected numbers, there always will be the question that they are on PEDs

The the thing I don't get is you seem to have some sort of reason to justify your somewhat crazy predictions. It's as if you just spin things in any way you can to suite your argument. I find banking on Hanzal to break out at 27 and saying that he is different or could be different then most normal players development is like every fan who has a small prospect on their team and saying look at Marty St. Louis. How many Marty st.louis are there is it possible ? Absolutely but chances way more in the favour of the norm happening then the select few who for some reason don't follow these paths that apply to most. I mean if Hanzal does break out you look smart but chances are he has a similar season with maybe a slightly higher production but probably nothing worth calling a break out. I will admit to do enjoy your blogs and the miss Cleo stuff lol but I do find them to be kind of homerish whether that's good or not is up to the readers I suppose lol

it's good to communicate with your readers and everything, but it's trash like this that turn people off of your blogs.
- BINGO!

At least Tanner will mix it up. All you troll-like posters are eating this up too. Tanner is a fun read. Stop taking entertainment so damn seriously.

To call Bautista a juicer is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life. EE was not in anyway a good player on Cinci, in fact the Jays DFA'd him two or three years later.

Also, I wasn't comparing anything. But sure, be snarky and don't even attempt to understand the point I was making. Yawn.
- James_Tanner

You're absolutely right. I have not addressed your point, because this is probably the fourth or fifth time you have made it, and it continues to be baseless and ridiculous. Yawn all you want, but at least I'm using evidence to back up my statements. Hanzal isn't going to miraculously become a star just because you say he's due, and the Coyotes are not going to feature 5 breakout players and have no regression, simply because you say it is possible.

Your next blog should warn people about the dangers of getting struck by lightning, because that's entirely possible it could happen to them.

You're absolutely right. I have not addressed your point, because this is probably the fourth or fifth time you have made it, and it continues to be baseless and ridiculous. Yawn all you want, but at least I'm using evidence to back up my statements. Hanzal isn't going to miraculously become a star just because you say he's due, and the Coyotes are not going to feature 5 breakout players and have no regression, simply because you say it is possible.

Your next blog should warn people about the dangers of getting struck by lightning, because that's entirely possible it could happen to them.
- Sandus

The odds of getting struck by lighting are the same odds of Sam Gagner having a 65 point season

The odds of getting struck by lighting are the same odds of Sam Gagner having a 65 point season
- sbroads24

The odds of getting struck by Sam Gagner are significantly higher than both.

At least Tanner will mix it up. All you troll-like posters are eating this up too. Tanner is a fun read. Stop taking entertainment so damn seriously.
- yzermaneely

Sweet. Thanks.