1) What do you care?

- This money could go to supporting minor hockey in those markets as opposed to supporting the pro sports teams

2) How do you determine who "Deserves" a team? Quebec City failed to support a team in the past. Why does that make them a more desireable location than any other place where a team is struggling financially?

- Quebec City didn't fail to support their team. Do your research.

3) Again, why do you care if a player wants to escape some of the limelight? that's not a negative thing sometimes. Just a bigger fish in a smaller bowl.

- players would be more likely to consider my team

4) Eyes are eyes, regardless of where they are. even slight market relevance is better than none at all.

- exactly. i believe there's more potential for added viewership by developing the sport/brand in strong markets than trying to force it in markets that aren't working

5) Teams are doing that already. Give it time. You can't have a team in a brand new market for under 20 years and expect it to just flourish. That's ridiculous. the longer it's there the more kids will grow up watching hockey.

- Teams might be doing this, but on a much smaller scale than what the NHL is paying to support the Coyotes. Nothing breeds hockey fans more than playing the game.

6) How do you determine a location that wil "Never" support hockey?

- I use my mad math skills yo!

- BINGO!

Funny how Pens fans forget when the arena was empty and the team was broke.
- sloppyseconds2

Chicago fans too

I fail to see the relevence of this.
- BINGO!

I predict their either make it, or they might not.
- robin_steele264

Very astute comment as always, Robin.

Chicago fans too
- Sammich

Even the Bruins too

I was one of the few that stuck around during those dark years...It was tough. Now everyone and their mother is a Bruins fan in and around this city

- 1979AD

i appreciated the first version of this more.

[quote=1979AD]

The Nordiques were consistently in the bottom half of the NHL in attendance. part of that, obviously, is the smallish building, but the fact remains.

Also, you're upset, then, that superstars are playing in markets you deem "Undeserving" rather than playing in yours, at least partly because they dislike the leve of scrutiny they would recieve in a market such as Toronto?

Even the Bruins too

I was one of the few that stuck around during those dark years...It was tough. Now everyone and their mother is a Bruins fan in and around this city
- RickJames77

I loved the dark years.

'cuz when I lived in Boston, I could get tickets off scalpers for less than face, 5 minutes after the puck dropped.

I'd watch the first period in the upper loge, and pick out a row of empty seats near the glass to watch periods two and three.

The Nordiques were consistently in the bottom half of the NHL in attendance. part of that, obviously, is the smallish building, but the fact remains.

Also, you're upset, then, that superstars are playing in markets you deem "Undeserving" rather than playing in yours, at least partly because they dislike the leve of scrutiny they would recieve in a market such as Toronto?
- BINGO!

I think he's more upset that revenue sharing allows bad teams to pay top players.

Edit: by bad, I mean bad in terms of revenu. So, "poor".

I think he's more upset that revenue sharing allows bad teams to pay top players.
- Pecafan Fan

I think that's something that Leafs and Habs fans can agree on:

The salary cap sucks Bozak.

Even a smaller city like Halifax would have a great fan base with way better attendance than Phoenix or Florida.
- sloppyseconds2

not sure a city like Halifax could put 18,000 in the stands every night with an average ticket price of $80.00.

I think that's something that Leafs and Habs fans can agree on:

The salary cap sucks Bozak.
- Atomic Wedgie

well the Leafs were decent in the pre cap era when salaries skyrocketed. Montreal was terrible.

not sure a city like Halifax could put 18,000 in the stands every night with an average ticket price of $80.00.
- DoubleDown

They don't have to sell the tickets around $80.

Hell, you can get amazing tickets in Florida for $25 including hot dogs soft drinks and parking!

not sure a city like Halifax could put 18,000 in the stands every night with an average ticket price of $80.00.
- DoubleDown

It's the lack of corporate box sales that would cripple them.

How many boxes could the Irvings rent for the Moncton Panthers?

They don't have to sell the tickets around $80.

Hell, you can get amazing tickets in Florida for $25 including hot dogs soft drinks and parking!
- Pecafan Fan

Or get a free ticket if you had a valid Florida driver's license.

Nope, not making that up.

I think he's more upset that revenue sharing allows bad teams to pay top players.

Edit: by bad, I mean bad in terms of revenu. So, "poor".
- Pecafan Fan

That's about right. I never said my opinion had to be unbiased fair or equitable.

That's about right. I never said my opinion had to be unbiased fair or equitable.
- 1979AD

That's about right. I never said my opinion had to be unbiased fair or equitable.
- 1979AD

Sadly, there's no relief in sight.

The crap teams out-number the profitable ones, so they push around the profitable ones and demand more money and more things to make sure the profitable ones aren't successful.

You know, kinda like Canada's Equalization Program.

See how I got a little dig in at the expense of our Frenchie Habs friends?

Boo-yeah.

Sadly, there's no relief in sight.

The crap teams out-number the profitable ones, so they push around the profitable ones and demand more money and more things to make sure the profitable ones aren't successful.

You know, kinda like Canada's Equalization Program.

See how I got a little dig in at the expense of our Frenchie Habs friends?

Boo-yeah.
- Atomic Wedgie

Hey, maybe you guys should elect people who will fight for your Province and get that cash from Ottawa.

I think he's more upset that revenue sharing allows bad teams to pay top players.

Edit: by bad, I mean bad in terms of revenu. So, "poor".
- Pecafan Fan

It does, yes. But again, so what? Welcome to the world of sports business. The alternative is a soft cap like a luxury tax which, spoiler alert, helps poor teams sign top players.

Sadly, there's no relief in sight.

The crap teams out-number the profitable ones, so they push around the profitable ones and demand more money and more things to make sure the profitable ones aren't successful.


- Atomic Wedgie

You know, kinda like Canada's Equalization Program.

See how I got a little dig in at the expense of our Frenchie Habs friends?

Boo-yeah.

(frank)ing Quebec and Ontario.

Hey, maybe you guys should elect people who will fight for your Province and get that cash from Ottawa.
- Pecafan Fan

You mean that cash from Sask and Alberta.

That's about right. I never said my opinion had to be unbiased fair or equitable.
- 1979AD

On the topic of the Nordiques....

they drew 15,080 a night in 1989/90, a season they went 12-61-7.

It's capacity was 15,176.....sorry 15,400.

How the hell can someone say they didn't draw fans to their games?

On the topic of the Nordiques....

they drew 15,080 a night in 1989/90, a season they went 12-61-7.

It's capacity was 15,176.

How the hell can someone say they didn't draw fans to their games?
- mykokes

That wasn't a consistant trend, though. They hovered around 14,500-15,000 for their entire existence. Which was by no means terrible, but other pastures looked a lot greener at the time.