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xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 2 @ 12:46 PM ET
My concern is that Mason made a huge amount of lucky saves last season going post to post. I find it hard to see him doing that again and he is going to need to if the team in front of him does not improve their team defence.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Sep 2 @ 12:50 PM ET
My concern is that Mason made a huge amount of lucky saves last season going post to post. I find it hard to see him doing that again and he is going to need to if the team in front of him does not improve their team defence.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx



What makes lucky when Mason does it but skill when another goalie does it?
a goalie doing that 1 game and getting really hot..thats luck.
a goalie making saves like that over the course of a season is more of a pattern.

I'm not so much worried about Mason..offense, defense and everything else on the other hand..
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Sep 2 @ 12:50 PM ET
Think he's in Simon Gagne territory... injuries really killed his career.
- Tomahawk


But made the Swedish Olympic team ahead of Hedman.

http://www.sbnation.com/n...olympics-2014-snub-sweden
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 2 @ 12:55 PM ET
My concern is that Mason made a huge amount of lucky saves last season going post to post. I find it hard to see him doing that again and he is going to need to if the team in front of him does not improve their team defence.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


How are they lucky? The Boucher save on Elias was lucky. The save by Rinne's backup on Raffl was lucky. Going post-to-post for saves is one of Mason's strong points.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Sep 2 @ 1:14 PM ET
as a lefty, these devices are frustrating
- BulliesPhan87

it is right to be a lefty
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Sep 2 @ 1:16 PM ET


This pretty much sums up how I think real hockey should be played

- eayost

thats about as much motion that the flyers D has
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Sep 2 @ 1:21 PM ET
I Love the trapezoid. I wish they'd narrow it.
Why do they want to widen it? Wasn't the idea of it to create more offensive opportunity and give a reason for forwards to chase the puck to the corner?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Sep 2 @ 1:32 PM ET
I Love the trapezoid. I wish they'd narrow it.
Why do they want to widen it? Wasn't the idea of it to create more offensive opportunity and give a reason for forwards to chase the puck to the corner?

- Just5


I thought it was to allow for generating more forechecking and therefore, more offense.

I'm OK with getting rid of this rule if only to encourage more teams to carry the puck as opposed to dumping it in.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Sep 2 @ 1:47 PM ET
My concern is that Mason made a huge amount of lucky saves last season going post to post. I find it hard to see him doing that again and he is going to need to if the team in front of him does not improve their team defence.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


On the contrary, I thought Mason only rarely had to rely on "lucky saves" last season. His mechanics were excellent most of the season. When he did have rely on his athleticism, he got over quickly and took away a lot of net.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 2 @ 1:48 PM ET
thats about as much motion that the flyers D has
- vejim


If you break a handle, you have Derian Hatcher.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 2 @ 1:48 PM ET
On the contrary, I thought Mason only rarely had to rely on "lucky saves" last season. His mechanics were excellent most of the season. When he did have rely on his athleticism, he got over quickly and took away a lot of net.
- bmeltzer


Athleticism/anticipation = "luck"

Edit: Pekka Rinne is one lucky goalie.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 2 @ 1:52 PM ET
On the contrary, I thought Mason only rarely had to rely on "lucky saves" last season. His mechanics were excellent most of the season. When he did have rely on his athleticism, he got over quickly and took away a lot of net.
- bmeltzer



I agree. Goaltending is very much a technical position. Even when going hard side to side, technique is used in how to push off, where to have the glove and pads positioned, etc. It's not just throw yourself over there randonmly in most cases.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 2 @ 1:53 PM ET
I agree. Goaltending is very much a technical position. Even when going hard side to side, technique is used in how to push off, where to have the glove and pads positioned, etc. It's not just throw yourself over there randonmly in most cases.
- MJL


Well, yes, for other teams' player.

For Flyers' players, it's pure luck, 100% of the time.
Ray Emery is very unlucky...has nothing to do with his hip.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Sep 2 @ 2:01 PM ET
Well, yes, for other teams' player.

For Flyers' players, it's pure luck, 100% of the time.
Ray Emery is very unlucky...has nothing to do with his hip.

- jmatchett383

So we're only making the playoffs if we get lucky?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 2 @ 2:02 PM ET
So we're only making the playoffs if we get lucky?
- mayorofangrytown


Nope. Other teams could get unlucky
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Sep 2 @ 2:02 PM ET
So we're only making the playoffs if we get lucky?
- mayorofangrytown


You can't spell Flyurs hockey without lucky
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 2 @ 2:05 PM ET
Nope. Other teams could get unlucky
- Jsaquella


No no no. Other teams get by on skill and systems. Only the Flyers rely on luck.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 2 @ 2:07 PM ET
No no no. Other teams get by on skill and systems. Only the Flyers rely on luck.
- jmatchett383


Bad luck for other teams is good luck for the Flyers.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 2 @ 2:12 PM ET
Bad luck for other teams is good luck for the Flyers.
- Jsaquella


Other teams only have bad luck when playing the Flyers when the Flyers have good luck. All other games are based on skill.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Sep 2 @ 2:24 PM ET
Other teams only have bad luck when playing the Flyers when the Flyers have good luck. All other games are based on skill.
- jmatchett383

Shootouts are luck. We suck at them so no playoffs. See also NJ Devils.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 2 @ 2:27 PM ET
Shootouts are luck. We suck at them so no playoffs. See also NJ Devils.
- mayorofangrytown


Mason overcomes that with luck. He basically just guesses and is right a lot.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Sep 2 @ 2:58 PM ET
But made the Swedish Olympic team ahead of Hedman.

http://www.sbnation.com/n...olympics-2014-snub-sweden

- Feanor

I'm not advocating this idea, I'm just sayen, if a D man was traded he might be worth looking at as a #7 instead of using a younger player.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 2 @ 2:59 PM ET
I'm not advocating this idea, I'm just sayen, if a D man was traded he might be worth looking at as a #7 instead of using a younger player.
- coffee junkie


We already have a #7. If a dman is traded, Schultz is still probably the #7 with a guy like Lauridsen/Alt in the top-6 (depending on who went).
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Sep 2 @ 3:03 PM ET
This thread is making me dizzy

Just my luck I guess
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Sep 2 @ 3:03 PM ET
We already have a #7. If a dman is traded, Schultz is still probably the #7 with a guy like Lauridsen/Alt in the top-6 (depending on who went).
- jmatchett383

That's a lot if assuming IMHO. Depends on timing and how they look this year. It could happen but the kids could also not be ready. Not saying Tallinder is the answer but out of the left over defensive D men he is a serviceable #7. McBain would be serviceable if a puck mover was needed.
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