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TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Aug 29 @ 5:51 PM ET
Mathieu Perreault was traded from WSH to ANA for like a 4th rounder on September 29th last year. There's a C trade after camp
DTF69
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I lied to get some white people on my side, AB
Joined: 02.03.2010

Aug 29 @ 5:52 PM ET
it's possible a centre could emerge from a prospect system and surprise his way on to a roster making another C expendable. Maybe Jenner looks good at C and they're open to dealing Anisimov. Maybe Faksa or Glennie look good enough to be 3C and they're open to dealing Eakin. etc.
- TheNugeIsHuge


Then those teams are an injury away from becoming too thin to compete in their divisions.

But you can dream. Dream of Anders Lee
TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Aug 29 @ 5:52 PM ET
Rangers have an overflow of NHL ready centers with Stepan, Brassard, Miller, Lindberg, Lombardi, Moore, and Hayes. Make a bid on one of em.
- rangerdanger94


I'd think Stepan and Brassard'd be the only ones that could fill 2C and NYR should hold on to them for dear life now without Richards
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Aug 29 @ 5:55 PM ET
Rangers have an overflow of NHL ready centers with Stepan, Brassard, Miller, Lindberg, Lombardi, Moore, and Hayes. Make a bid on one of em.
- rangerdanger94


I have interest in Miller but he will be relatively uproven as well. Ideally, Brassard or Stepan would be available in a trade but don't see why NYR move them.

TheNugeIsHuge
Edmonton Oilers
Location: McJesus, AB
Joined: 01.09.2013

Aug 29 @ 5:55 PM ET
Then those teams are an injury away from becoming too thin to compete in their divisions.

But you can dream. Dream of Anders Lee

- DTF69


I don't know. If CBJ sees say Wennberg as being NHL ready and they'd like him to play the role Jenner did last season but keeping Jenner out of his natural position is stopping that, who knows. All would depend on RJo getting inked too
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Aug 29 @ 5:55 PM ET
Then those teams are an injury away from becoming too thin to compete in their divisions.

But you can dream. Dream of Anders Lee

- DTF69


Brock Nelson
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Aug 29 @ 6:04 PM ET
Rangers have an overflow of NHL ready centers with Stepan, Brassard, Miller, Lindberg, Lombardi, Moore, and Hayes. Make a bid on one of em.
- rangerdanger94

Ideally we should get a solid 2-way stop gap 2C that will eventually settle in as a more defensive minded 3C once LD is ready for big 2C responsibilities.
Shenanigans20
Los Angeles Kings
Location: CA
Joined: 06.28.2013

Aug 29 @ 6:18 PM ET
Doughty got snubbed his sophomore year by a retiring Lidstrom. The 2nd year pro deserved the trophy.

Lidstrom was a fascinating defenseman year in and year out but considering doughty being on LA on a below average team that year he did extremely well, if not better than Lidstrom. Doughty had pretty much the same numbers as Lidstrom and done being better if I can remember.

I believe Doughty got snubbed due to the fact the NHL wanted to give a one last hoorah to the retiring Red Wing great. Not like he needed hat last trophy on his resume
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Aug 29 @ 6:22 PM ET
Mathieu Perreault was traded from WSH to ANA for like a 4th rounder on September 29th last year. There's a C trade after camp
- TheNugeIsHuge


some teams would rather trade them for scraps vs losing them on waivers for nothing.
Islanders and Leafs have a bunch of forwards, So a guy like Holland, he has to make the team to be the 4th line C, no reason to have him as the healthy stretch. He isn't waiver exempt, a small trade like that could be had.

Avs picked up Cliche on waivers from the Kings last year and he become an OK regular season 4th line C (he sucked in the playoffs). There are moves to be made
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Aug 29 @ 6:27 PM ET
some teams would rather trade them for scraps vs losing them on waivers for nothing.
Islanders and Leafs have a bunch of forwards, So a guy like Holland, he has to make the team to be the 4th line C, no reason to have him as the healthy stretch. He isn't waiver exempt, a small trade like that could be had.

Avs picked up Cliche on waivers from the Kings last year and he become an OK regular season 4th line C (he sucked in the playoffs). There are moves to be made

- DDM-Coga


Holland would be an okay pickup for us. Play him at 3C and soft minutes.

Hall Nuge Eberle
Perron Arco Purcell
Pouliot Holland Yakupov



Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Aug 29 @ 6:31 PM ET
Holland would be an okay pickup for us. Play him at 3C and soft minutes.

Hall Nuge Eberle
Perron Arco Purcell
Pouliot Holland Yakupov

- ystoil

You think he's a better option than LD or just for the sake of keeping him in the minors?
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Aug 29 @ 6:35 PM ET
You think he's a better option than LD or just for the sake of keeping him in the minors?
- Jeropotato


Have to see how LD does at camp first. If he doesn't look that great and isn't impressing, its not the worse thing to let him go to Europe for a few seasons to really develop while you pick up a stop gap to fill in those 2C/3C position.

To have Nuge, LD, Acro, and a pick up like Holland, thats a decent young group. To have a bigger body Holland be your 3C, and take your chances with Acro going back to OKC for the first call up or see if he can move to Wing.
Aerchon
Joined: 10.14.2011

Aug 29 @ 6:40 PM ET
Good points all.

However, I would be very surprised if you could write all that about Schultz if you had seen him play in the AHL. Even for small bits here and there at the NHL level he has shown so much more than Poti.

Going back to his AHL time. It was nothing short of amazing. Beautiful. That combined with what we have seen "should " lead to a far superior career.

I like pointing out how Schultz obliterated the AHL but yet Klefbom to date has been chewed up by it. I have heard many say Klefbom has massive potential and if you even slightly agree with that I would think saying Schultz has Norris potential is not so far fetched.

Likely, no. Possible yes. Personally I think mac t went a bit too far to say that publicly but out of the spotlight I fully agree that it is a unlikely possibility.
DTF69
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I lied to get some white people on my side, AB
Joined: 02.03.2010

Aug 29 @ 6:41 PM ET
Yeah, Jultz tore up the AHL playing with an NHL top line. I bet Raphael Diaz could do that too
Jeropotato
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Edmonton Oilers
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Aug 29 @ 6:43 PM ET
Have to see how LD does at camp first. If he doesn't look that great and isn't impressing, its not the worse thing to let him go to Europe for a few seasons to really develop while you pick up a stop gap to fill in those 2C/3C position.
- DDM-Coga

I would risk losing Lander to waivers and just get another Veteran C. For the sake of filling in the blanks, I'm perfectly ok with Chris Kelly in a shutdown 3C role if we need to shelter LD. The biggest concern I have is having Yak play without an offensively capable Center , and, having Yak play with the rookie Draisaitl.

Creates a bot of a conundrum.

Not sure who may or may not be available after training camp, should the Oilers just say piss on it and offer up Petry and Lander/Arco for a legit top 9 Center?

I really like the train of thought that NiH was on....we should be targeting Columbus with a trade for Anisimov.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Aug 29 @ 6:47 PM ET
I would risk losing Lander to waivers and just get another Veteran C. For the sake of filling in the blanks, I'm perfectly ok with Chris Kelly in a shutdown 3C role if we need to shelter LD. The biggest concern I have is having Yak play without an offensively capable Center , and, having Yak play with the rookie Draisaitl.

Creates a bot of a conundrum.

Not sure who may or may not be available after training camp, should the Oilers just say piss on it and offer up Petry and Lander/Arco for a legit top 9 Center?

I really like the train of thought that NiH was on....we should be targeting Columbus with a trade for Anisimov.

- Jeropotato


Artem would be a solid pick up, I think that team has a great group of forwards (still have young guys like Rychel ready for the jump), but their D is a bit uninspiring though. Moving Petry for Artem is an interesting idea.
Jeropotato
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Edmonton Oilers
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Aug 29 @ 6:52 PM ET
Artem would be a solid pick up, I think that team has a great group of forwards (still have young guys like Rychel ready for the jump), but their D is a bit uninspiring though. Moving Petry for Artem is an interesting idea.
- DDM-Coga

Maybe. Tyutin, Murray, Johnson, the Wiz......I think it's pretty solid.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Aug 29 @ 6:54 PM ET
Maybe. Tyutin, Murray, Johnson, the Wiz......I think it's pretty solid.
- Jeropotato


I like Johnson and Murray, not the biggest fan of Wiz. Tyutin is ok too, guess hes just another version of Petry.
Jeropotato
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Edmonton Oilers
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Aug 29 @ 6:55 PM ET
I like Johnson and Murray, not the biggest fan of Wiz. Tyutin is ok too, guess hes just another version of Petry.
- DDM-Coga

Nor am I but he is a capable player. Petry would defiantly fit I. The top 4 somewhere.
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Aug 29 @ 7:32 PM ET
You think he's a better option than LD or just for the sake of keeping him in the minors?
- Jeropotato


Backup plan in case ld isn't ready. I wonder what holland can do with easy minutes and offensive wingers.
Aerchon
Joined: 10.14.2011

Aug 29 @ 8:02 PM ET
Yeah, Jultz tore up the AHL playing with an NHL top line. I bet Raphael Diaz could do that too
- DTF69


You have a point but...

A very young leagues worst NHL top line.

He looked great no matter who he went onto the ice with. His 18 goals 48 points in 34 games weren't tap ins and secondary assists from his own blue line. He was stellar in all situations.

As good as they did together, the AHL is a much more difficult league than most think and they did have some troubles.

As I said, Schultz is an unlikely but "potential" Norris trophy candidate but Mac T really shouldn't have voiced that optimism. Not a good marker for fans and probably too lofty expectations for the player himself to try to live up to.
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Aug 29 @ 8:29 PM ET
You have a point but...

A very young leagues worst NHL top line.

He looked great no matter who he went onto the ice with. His 18 goals 48 points in 34 games weren't tap ins and secondary assists from his own blue line. He was stellar in all situations.

As good as they did together, the AHL is a much more difficult league than most think and they did have some troubles.

As I said, Schultz is an unlikely but "potential" Norris trophy candidate but Mac T really shouldn't have voiced that optimism. Not a good marker for fans and probably too lofty expectations for the player himself to try to live up to.

- Aerchon




MacT believes in his players. Nothing wrong with that


Fruitcakenipple
Location: NF
Joined: 01.12.2011

Aug 29 @ 8:31 PM ET
Yes it is...stay or go it's a bridge to nowhere...




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Reveen
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Who's your daddy ?, BC
Joined: 05.25.2011

Aug 29 @ 8:37 PM ET
Ryan Garner: Is Justin Schultz Deal a Bridge to Nowhere?
- Ryan Garner


Mac-T really dropped the ball by not signing him to an 8 year deal worth a bajillion dollars.
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Aug 29 @ 8:38 PM ET
Mac-T really dropped the ball by not signing him to an 8 year deal worth a bajillion dollars.
- Reveen





God dammit!


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