It's funny that you say your posts are completely true yet you go and say something completely false about the number of games Anderson has played in a season.
- ystoil

You need to read his post again. You didn't understand what he said.

This blog had good intentions I think - or at least neutral ones.

While I value analytics and I'm impressed by the hires of both clubs, it's a little naive to believe one team or the other will get better because of them to a significant degree. They'll be tools that these teams use, but likely what's already in place - and more importantly what other teams are doing/failing to do - will dictate how they perform in the go ahead.

I like Prock more than Doppleganger because he actually responds to the arguments others are making, but it's worth noting that he never ever admits to being wrong about anything. I mean, you'd figure with all the posting a guy does about many diverse topics throughout the years, he'd admit that he wasn't completely correct about something every once in a while. That gets me wondering.
- Morris

Oh I have. It doesn't happen often, but it does. And you have to admit, for someone who makes a lot of strong statements, it should probably happen more often....

Was I right about gagner? Damn right I was, despite the vitriol I got spewed at me about gagner and cogliano never being top 6 on a winning team? Yup. How about the oilers needing to focus more on d? Yup. I got a lot of flak for those arguments. Granted you persnally didn't disagree too much.

Hen there was that moron Gretzky who used to tell me omark was amazing, so was MPS, etc. Many oiler fans agreed and said better than kadri.

You guys didn't do badly trading gagner. He's useless.

You need to read his post again. You didn't understand what he said.
- djamon

Shocker.

Oh I have. It doesn't happen often, but it does. And you have to admit, for someone who makes a lot of strong statements, it should probably happen more often....

Was I right about gagner? Damn right I was, despite the vitriol I got spewed at me about gagner and cogliano never being top 6 on a winning team? Yup. How about the oilers needing to focus more on d? Yup. I got a lot of flak for those arguments. Granted you persnally didn't disagree too much.

Hen there was that moron Gretzky who used to tell me omark was amazing, so was MPS, etc. Many oiler fans agreed and said better than kadri.

You guys didn't do badly trading gagner. He's useless.
- prock

So are you standing by your comment that not making the World Juniors team is indicative a players future?

True but 90% of the best hockey players come from Canada and wanted to sign their C cards with the Leafs and Habs.
- Jeropotato

C form. Not card. And its a lot more complex than that. Especially in the 60s and 70s. The transition from the old system to the new system, along with expansion, and the amalgamation of the WHA wasn't as simple as looking at what c forms did. Territorial rights and cultural barriers were much bigger animals. Even beyond c forms things were a lot more complex than just c forms.

Its no coincidence the habs had two of their best periods in history, comprised almost entirely of teams that were 90% French Canadians, in that era.

So are you standing by your comment that not making the World Juniors team is indicative a players future?
- Jeropotato

No I was just messing with you guys partly. Darnell nurse was one of the smartest draft picks the oilers have made in years. And should have been on team Canada too. But a future full of Norris trophies is going way too far.

That said, the leaf fan who that was in response to did something about two of the best young dmen out there or something. I know one he was talking about was rielly. I don't even know who the second was. I would assume Finn, I guess. Who is great, but in no way a Norris caliber prospect either.

No I was just messing with you guys partly. Darnell nurse was one of the smartest draft picks the oilers have made in years. And should have been on team Canada too. But a future full of Norris trophies is going way too far.

That said, the leaf fan who that was in response to did something about two of the best young dmen out there or something. I know one he was talking about was rielly. I don't even know who the second was. I would assume Finn, I guess. Who is great, but in no way a Norris caliber prospect either.
- prock

Rielly and Gardiner.

C form. Not card. And its a lot more complex than that. Especially in the 60s and 70s. The transition from the old system to the new system, along with expansion, and the amalgamation of the WHA wasn't as simple as looking at what c forms did. Territorial rights and cultural barriers were much bigger animals. Even beyond c forms things were a lot more complex than just c forms.

Its no coincidence the habs had two of their best periods in history, comprised almost entirely of teams that were 90% French Canadians, in that era.
- prock

they weren't all that complex. NHL teams had territorial rights to Junior Clubs (I admit that I'm not fully aware of what NHL Clubs were allowed to have Jr Clubs in certain regions), if they liked you as a teenager, the had you sign a form and you were in their system, and if you were good enough, you played on one of their Jr affiliates and moved up from there. It was the players choice to sign the form, if you didn't want to, you could hope another NHL team came looking, but there probably wasn't many hold outs. The key for most teams was to have quality scouts at every bum(frank) Ontario town watching Midget hockey (or whatever 15 yr olds were called then). Fact is, is the 50's and early 60's, if you were a good, knew you were good, and the Leafs came calling, you signed the God Damned form. I'm sure this was a huge advantage to the Leafs in those days, just as it was for the Habs, but not so much for the other 4 clubs.

they weren't all that complex. NHL teams had territorial rights to Junior Clubs (I admit that I'm not fully aware of what NHL Clubs were allowed to have Jr Clubs in certain regions), if they liked you as a teenager, the had you sign a form and you were in their system, and if you were good enough, you played on one of their Jr affiliates and moved up from there. It was the players choice to sign the form, if you didn't want to, you could hope another NHL team came looking, but there probably wasn't many hold outs. The key for most teams was to have quality scouts at every bum(frank) Ontario town watching Midget hockey (or whatever 15 yr olds were called then). Fact is, is the 50's and early 60's, if you were a good, knew you were good, and the Leafs came calling, you signed the God Damned form. I'm sure this was a huge advantage to the Leafs in those days, just as it was for the Habs, but not so much for the other 4 clubs.
- Jeropotato

I'm not saying that the way c forms worked were complex. I'm saying they were a very small part of what was going on.

I know how c forms worked.

There were territorial rights that didn't fall under the c form set up. There were a lot of political things going on at the time. The kind of stuff that eventually led to the meech lake stuff. There were many things going on within, and outside the NHL which had a great deal of impact on the things that went on.

I'm not saying that the way c forms worked were complex. I'm saying they were a very small part of what was going on.

I know how c forms worked.

There were territorial rights that didn't fall under the c form set up. There were a lot of political things going on at the time. The kind of stuff that eventually led to the meech lake stuff. There were many things going on within, and outside the NHL which had a great deal of impact on the things that went on.
- prock

Could you be more vague? I'm perfectly capable of comprehending if you have the actual knowledge and ability to articulate "a lot of things going on"