Which brings to mind the whole trading Seabrook trade scenarios we have seen posted. If Seabrook was on the market, every and I mean every team in the league would be on the phone to Bowman asking what the price is?

And that doesn't even take into account his value inside the room. He is the classic example of a player not needing a letter on his jersey to be a leader.
- Elbows15

I don't trade Seabrook unless another GM is willing to overpay on an extremely stupid level. Seabs needs to be re-signed as soon as possible.

I remember when all these TT warnings were being heaped on Saad, now he's part of "possibly the Hawks best top six ever!" My how the winds blow fiercely to and fro on this site.
- mcmasterkev

*surfs*

I don't trade Seabrook unless another GM is willing to overpay on an extremely stupid level. Seabs needs to be re-signed as soon as possible.
- DarthKane

That stupid overpay is going to have to include a guy who is capable making TC's Olympic team, IMO. And yeah yeah he wasn't on this team. He should have been. Kind of hard to argue with the success they had though.

Want to have a laugh? I was reading the Flyer's mutant thread and some jamoke commented that replacing Seabrook with Clendening or Rundblad would have only a minor affect on the Hawks.

I understand they are used to poopty D-men but that made me laugh. A lot.

I don't trade Seabrook unless another GM is willing to overpay on an extremely stupid level. Seabs needs to be re-signed as soon as possible.
- DarthKane

Can't resign him until next summer - and when they do, I would guess the hit would be $8MM.

Hope the cap is closer to $80 than $75 by 2016-17.

That stupid overpay is going to have to include a guy who is capable making TC's Olympic team, IMO. And yeah yeah he wasn't on this team. He should have been. Kind of hard to argue with the success they had though.

Want to have a laugh? I was reading the Flyer's mutant thread and some jamoke commented that replacing Seabrook with Clendening or Rundblad would have only a minor affect on the Hawks.

I understand they are used to poopty D-men but that made me laugh. A lot.
- Elbows15

Even I'm not that delusional!

Other fans will say things like that, they don't understand our team's situation and they want to creat a scenario where it's possible to scoop up a guy like Seabrook.

That stupid overpay is going to have to include a guy who is capable making TC's Olympic team, IMO. And yeah yeah he wasn't on this team. He should have been. Kind of hard to argue with the success they had though.

Want to have a laugh? I was reading the Flyer's mutant thread and some jamoke commented that replacing Seabrook with Clendening or Rundblad would have only a minor affect on the Hawks.

I understand they are used to poopty D-men but that made me laugh. A lot.
- Elbows15

The Flyers won't be interested in Seabrook, he'll still be too young for them. Maybe after his next contract they will show some interest.

I know it's the off-season and there isn't much going on but FFS can we stop


- stljam

How dare you make light of the beating of an animal. Even a dead one!

Right, I know.

Hilarious. Dude was knocked out from a head shot.


- carcus

What was hilarious was the dream.

Really, he was back in a couple games. It only looked bad until Coach Chaos Hitch was sure Seabs got suspended.

Now, if Backes was hurt long term... that would be in bad taste.

Making the caption somewhat less entertaining.

Don't wish bad on people,Backes falls into the Rodman category, "Dislike him until he puts your home sweater on." Especialy when David Backes is just about the kind of #2 center this team needs. Choice between Backes or Bickell? I'm taking Backes ,The guy shows up for 82,some of it Questionable or borderline cheap, but he's not the only 1. An earlier poster commented a possible Leino invite tied with a move of a forward??? Bye Bye Bickell........"then try to find a way to pry Matt Martin away from the Isle! That is my Hockey Card GM move for the day.
- wonthecup10

You took that all wrong. I never wish bad on anyone. But I do believe live by the sword, die by the sword. He was out there trying to run our guys through the boards and got run himself. I've said before,Seebrook did the right thing but it turned out wrong. I for one wouldn't take Backes on my team.

Have they ever got this right?
- DarthKane

If so, not for a long time...

Agreed. I sit there for a lot of home games and watch these bad, grenade type passes Keith throws Seabrook with a forecheck bearing in on him, and Seabrook not only converts a CRAP pass, but makes the right pass quickly 99.9% of the time.

Again....Seabrook is VASTLY underrated in my book by the national media. Everyone can sit there and light Candles at the Keith statue, but without Seabrook I don't think Keith sniffs a Norris.

Seabrook is THE only physical threat the Hawks have on the back end. Hammer picks his spots, but has relinquished quite a bit since he got dinged in Buffalo a few years back.
- SteveRain

Seabrook keeps a pretty low profile the last 5 years or so with the media...
I said this for awhile and some disagreed...Sharp is more appreciated other places especially Canada than here...relatively speaking, and Seabrook is pretty much the same.

The talk of trading Seabrook imo only happens if he wants out and that is for a number of reasons....No one coming fits his skill set, and please don't mention Johns....Plus Keith wouldn't be happy at all.

The Cap sucks but I hope they can do whatever it takes to keep Keith, Seabrook, and Hammer here for the rest of their careers. While he won't replace Seabrook I am really excited to see Johns. I think he could eventually be a great 2nd pair guy. I also think guys like Clendenning and TVR could be interesting players.

Have they ever got this right?
- DarthKane

Nope.

Other teams add more speed, more size, more skill.

Also noted the past couple drafts: Some teams are drafting a whole barn full of thoroughbred big size players who have some skill as well. Some of them will make their way onto NHL rosters and make their team tougher to match up. Meanwhile, Chicago depends upon a Sharp and a Bickel to step up in the toughness department. Shaw hurt again? Kruger just doesn't have the size. He comes away with the puck often enough, though. So how long is his career going to become? At least there are AHL prospects who fit lower lines like a glove should they be recalled. Some skill and will dig for puck, will check ....but do they augment the top line guys? They will have to. Where else is help coming from? Besides the heralded TT who is not going to become a producer at least until the year after next. When Hossa is slowed or retired. And Sharp is gone. So hopefully Saad, TT, and those forwards in Rockford will replace the outgoing players. Seems about what the script looks like right now

Just watching an Avs game from 1996. Damn was Forsberg an amazing player. Really fun to watch. That line of Kamensky-forsberg-Lemieux was amazing

Nope.

Other teams add more speed, more size, more skill.

Also noted the past couple drafts: Some teams are drafting a whole barn full of thoroughbred big size players who have some skill as well. Some of them will make their way onto NHL rosters and make their team tougher to match up. Meanwhile, Chicago depends upon a Sharp and a Bickel to step up in the toughness department. Shaw hurt again? Kruger just doesn't have the size. He comes away with the puck often enough, though. So how long is his career going to become? At least there are AHL prospects who fit lower lines like a glove should they be recalled. Some skill and will dig for puck, will check ....but do they augment the top line guys? They will have to. Where else is help coming from? Besides the heralded TT who is not going to become a producer at least until the year after next. When Hossa is slowed or retired. And Sharp is gone. So hopefully Saad, TT, and those forwards in Rockford will replace the outgoing players. Seems about what the script looks like right now
- jhawk59

I can't wait to see Hartman and Danault. I think both of them have the attributes to be valuable players who can slide up and down the lineup and not really hurt you at all, especially hartman. I would like to add another player like that in the next draft or 2. Hopefully Hayden can be like that as well

I can't wait to see Hartman and Danault. I think both of them have the attributes to be valuable players who can slide up and down the lineup and not really hurt you at all, especially hartman. I would like to add another player like that in the next draft or 2. Hopefully Hayden can be like that as well
- tomcat24

I would love to see that outcome, but as well, Nordstrom a very smart, dependable fourth center. In fact, for a while perhaps a Kruger third line and Nordstrom fourth line could really clamp down defensively no matter whom the opponent throws out against them....would be a nice dream at this point, possibly reality by the end of next season.

What has to be answered with third and fourth line is at the center position. Sure other questions about those best suited as linemates for the bottom two lines is probably almost an endless question or debate. I mean, numerous combinations could work. Those AHL forwards will be pushing hard by season' send. It is not inconceivable that some could play a role like the Kings rookie forwards did. The role as hard working and defensively responsible is just what those AHL farmhands need to become......and it is in them to play this way. The scoring ability is present, just maybe not as top two line talent (save McNeill). One day perhaps some of the AHL forwards discussed may turn out to be the sort of productive scorer a Rene Bourque has become.

The beautiful thing that gets me pumped is that these AHL forwards will be hungry, are hard working type, and do have some skill + they fit in nicely under the salary cap. Now of course this does not include TT. He will merit top lines duty and is not likely going to be at home for long on a bottom line. How well TT does in two years is yes yes yes we all know TBD but those others like Nordstrom, Danault, Hartman, McNeill could provide a necessary bolt of energy for the veterans to feed off. Could force Bickel even to the press box when he is being a lazy loaf.

These prospects may need a year, and maybe some will not be factors in the playoffs next spring. But they are getting closer and their time to begin to help in Chicago gets me excited, too, tomcat24. Note: Wiz would say, don't be pushing them for NHL jobs just yet!

Just watching an Avs game from 1996. Damn was Forsberg an amazing player. Really fun to watch. That line of Kamensky-forsberg-Lemieux was amazing
- tomcat24

Back around that time, recall Gretzky and Lemieux on the same line! Was that the Rendezvous series - the name of the Tournament between Olympic years? That was some exciting on the edge of seat hockey watching! Gretzky and Lemieux versus the not fabled Russian stars. Wasn't Larionov the center for ? Krutov and another big name player? Then one of those years shortly thereafter a Russian player skated right onto the Chicago roster. Descent dman in Chicago in the early 1990's. Recall the name? This is a test of your ability to recall

The Cap sucks but I hope they can do whatever it takes to keep Keith, Seabrook, and Hammer here for the rest of their careers. While he won't replace Seabrook I am really excited to see Johns. I think he could eventually be a great 2nd pair guy. I also think guys like Clendenning and TVR could be interesting players.
- tomcat24

Just as Seabrook is the only real muscle or big frame dman who can be nasty with good size to battle the larger behemoths in the league, only Johns among the dman prospects has the size and nasty disposition. That would be nice to see someone like Johns on a third pair his first couple NHL seasons.

Also, Fournier is an interesting talent....just wondering if one of the top dman prospects has to start in the ECHL so as to receive plenty of playing time. Clendenning and Cuminskey could be on that Icehog blueline too.

Back around that time, recall Gretzky and Lemieux on the same line! Was that the Rendezvous series - the name of the Tournament between Olympic years? That was some exciting on the edge of seat hockey watching! Gretzky and Lemieux versus the not fabled Russian stars. Wasn't Larionov the center for ? Krutov and another big name player? Then one of those years shortly thereafter a Russian player skated right onto the Chicago roster. Descent dman in Chicago in the early 1990's. Recall the name? This is a test of your ability to recall
- jhawk59

I don't remember watching that series. But those 2 on the same line would be sick. My memory sucks but I'm thinking it was Igor "gary" Kravchuk. One of the few we had that didn't suck.

Just as Seabrook is the only real muscle or big frame dman who can be nasty with good size to battle the larger behemoths in the league, only Johns among the dman prospects has the size and nasty disposition. That would be nice to see someone like Johns on a third pair his first couple NHL seasons.

Also, Fournier is an interesting talent....just wondering if one of the top dman prospects has to start in the ECHL so as to receive plenty of playing time. Clendenning and Cuminskey could be on that Icehog blueline too.
- jhawk59

Yeah I would ease johns into the league slowly: playing in the 3rd pair awhile. Fournier has some skill. If he is in Rockford he might be paired with his junior linemate that we got as an add-in to the Runblad deal. I saw Dahlstrom get a lot of attention at the last 2 prospect camps. He has size, skill, and an edge to his game. I didn't like the pick at 1st but he could be something

Awesome what day is the parade?
- Cup-Bearer

Tuesday

I remember when all these TT warnings were being heaped on Saad, now he's part of "possibly the Hawks best top six ever!" My how the winds blow fiercely to and fro on this site.
- mcmasterkev

Your ignorance/avoidance of context (like Saad being basically allowed to learn on the job in 2012-13 and being pretty horrible for the first 25 games or so) is duly noted.

But, hey, keep popping up to grind that wee axe. You're always welcome!.

Just watching an Avs game from 1996. Damn was Forsberg an amazing player. Really fun to watch. That line of Kamensky-forsberg-Lemieux was amazing
- tomcat24

Yep, best player in the game at that time

Yep, best player in the game at that time
- John Jaeckel

Federov would get my vote. Just my preference

Your ignorance/avoidance of context (like Saad being basically allowed to learn on the job in 2012-13 and being pretty horrible for the first 25 games or so) is duly noted.

But, hey, keep popping up to grind that wee axe. You're always welcome!.
- John Jaeckel

We should have some reservations about every prospect within the organization, that goes back to Saad too. Teravainen and Saad are/were two if our better prospects, but that still doesn't mean either are ready for top 6 duty in the NHL. It worked out very well for Saad but we'll have to wait and see how things turn out for TT. Prospects are always a risk, regardless of when they are drafted.