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- FourFeathers773

Classic example of a picture being worth a 1000 words

Here's the problem with this argument.

Two guys I would look at, who make less money than Crawford, who might well be as good as he is with the Hawks are . . . Halak and Anderson.

Neither of those guys has played behind Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook 27 minutes a game. Much less a second pairing with Hjalmarsson. And a terrific set of defensive forwards.

Yeah, you can argue Halak did in St. Louis, but . . . for the most part over their careers, no.

Crawford benefits from the team he plays behind, just as Chris Osgood did, hugely, in Detroit. Any goalie would.
- John Jaeckel

Have to say I only saw a few Sens games last year, but each time, Anderson looked done to me. I'm sure his D wasn't great, but really looked bad. Maybe it was just a couple bad games.

Classic example of a picture being worth a 1000 words
- kissthecup22

I agree with Carcus.

Classic example of a picture being worth a 1000 words
- kissthecup22

Don't wish bad on people,Backes falls into the Rodman category, "Dislike him until he puts your home sweater on." Especialy when David Backes is just about the kind of #2 center this team needs. Choice between Backes or Bickell? I'm taking Backes ,The guy shows up for 82,some of it Questionable or borderline cheap, but he's not the only 1. An earlier poster commented a possible Leino invite tied with a move of a forward??? Bye Bye Bickell........"then try to find a way to pry Matt Martin away from the Isle! That is my Hockey Card GM move for the day.

Don't wish bad on people,Backes falls into the Rodman category, "Dislike him until he puts your home sweater on." Especialy when David Backes is just about the kind of #2 center this team needs. Choice between Backes or Bickell? I'm taking Backes ,The guy shows up for 82,some of it Questionable or borderline cheap, but he's not the only 1. An earlier poster commented a possible Leino invite tied with a move of a forward??? Bye Bye Bickell........"then try to find a way to pry Matt Martin away from the Isle! That is my Hockey Card GM move for the day.
- wonthecup10

I hate to say this but i do agree with what you are saying i wouldn't mind having Backes play for the Hawks i think he would be a instant fan favorite just like Probert. He was another player Hawks fan loved to hate.

I hate to say this but i do agree with what you are saying i wouldn't mind having Backes play for the Hawks i think he would be a instant fan favorite just like Probert. He was another player Hawks fan loved to hate.
- BGKarras

Him and Bickell together could probably save every dog in Chicago.

An earlier poster commented a possible Leino invite tied with a move of a forward??? Bye Bye Bickell........"then try to find a way to pry Matt Martin away from the Isle! That is my Hockey Card GM move for the day.
- wonthecup10

Pick up Leino and dump Bickell?

That leaves the Hawks without a big body up front.

Pick up Leino and dump Bickell?

That leaves the Hawks without a big body up front.
- EKolb13

Pick up leino and put him down in the minors. Give him a one year 900k deal

Pick up Leino and dump Bickell?

That leaves the Hawks without a big body up front.
- EKolb13

I think the only scenario that may make sense regarding picking up Leino would be to trade Versteeg. Leino would have to be signed for $800,000 - $850,000 but I doubt he'd take that.

I think the only scenario that may make sense regarding picking up Leino would be to trade Versteeg. Leino would have to be signed for $800,000 - $850,000 but I doubt he'd take that.
- DarthKane

I wouldn't want him anyways.

I wouldn't want him anyways.
- EKolb13

Neither do I. But that's the only likely scenario I could think happening.

I truly believe we need Versteeg to work out. Some big contracts will need to be unloaded in 15/16 and we could sure use Steeger as a 40-50 point forward then.

Neither do I. But that's the only likely scenario I could think happening.

I truly believe we need Versteeg to work out. Some big contracts will need to be unloaded in 15/16 and we could sure use Steeger as a 40-50 point forward then.
- DarthKane

If he gets to that level again, I'll be amoung the first to give him props and take back all of the trade Versteeg for pucks talk.

Have to say I only saw a few Sens games last year, but each time, Anderson looked done to me. I'm sure his D wasn't great, but really looked bad. Maybe it was just a couple bad games.
- vabeachbear

Dunno, could be a lot of things. It's like anything else though.

Who knew Kevin Hayes better than anyone. the Hawks.

Who knew (really) whether TT was ready or not to play C in the NHL. The Hawks (which is why they signed Richards).

Who knows how "done" Anderson is? The Sens. They don't think he is. And I will trust them and their investment more than fans of another team from another conference.

Mike Milbury isn't running a team anymore. When teams make these kinds of moves, on their own guys, typically they know what they're doing.

This isn't like saying Crawford or Bickell are overpaid.

You're saying a player is "done." The management of his team just extended him for 3 or 4 years (I don't recall which). I'm gonna trust them, no offense or disrespect intended.

Sometimes I think this is the board where "Make a trade" seems to predominate discussion, opinion or even common sense.

Not trying to knock anyone, but think about this - each move that we have seen made in the last years was never the player we thought or in many cases a guy who we never considered, or saw value in.

It may be just me but in my humble opinion, the game has again changed in many respects but the biggest is teams are finding undrafted and later drafted forwards who excel in the shorter shift. They weren't players whose junior careers were ones were they had the strong body, or had put the all the skills together or where even big-time snipers, but since that time in their lives, they has can play at the NHL level and jump out there and make things happen and do things at the qiuck pace because the read the situations well and have great reactiions and reflexes.

When I watch games they are the guys that surprise you, and you think wow...he is getting there...
There are teams that have better at finding these guys and working them into lineup spots where the bring the etam success.

I could start naming guys on teams that I feel fit the category, but as soon as I do point their needle up, they may have already reached a shelf life or are stagnant and can't get better or their needle can point down as quickly.

I even think there are teams that are better at finding them.

So instead of me pining on a specific non-hawk in a time where Cap is getting more
dear, I am perfectly willing to wait and see what the time from March 15th to Oct. 15th what surprises in personal are brought.

If you are thinking that any new candidates are going to be added from outside, I think you will be unhappy.
The MOVE they make is a subtraction.

Dunno, could be a lot of things. It's like anything else though.

Who knew Kevin Hayes better than anyone. the Hawks.

Who knew (really) whether TT was ready or not to play C in the NHL. The Hawks (which is why they signed Richards).

Who knows how "done" Anderson is? The Sens. They don't think he is. And I will trust them and their investment more than fans of another team from another conference.

Mike Milbury isn't running a team anymore. When teams make these kinds of moves, on their own guys, typically they know what they're doing.

This isn't like saying Crawford or Bickell are overpaid.

You're saying a player is "done." The management of his team just extended him for 3 or 4 years (I don't recall which). I'm gonna trust them, no offense or disrespect intended.
- John Jaeckel

Which reminds me, humorously, when I suggested on Twitter in 2011 that the Hawks sign Handzus (as a free agent for the Kings,before San Jose signed him that summer) for their bottom 6, a fellow blogger assailed me that he was "done."

Ummm, no. He probably is now. But he wasn't then.

Dunno, could be a lot of things. It's like anything else though.

Who knew Kevin Hayes better than anyone. the Hawks.

Who knew (really) whether TT was ready or not to play C in the NHL. The Hawks (which is why they signed Richards).

Who knows how "done" Anderson is? The Sens. They don't think he is. And I will trust them and their investment more than fans of another team from another conference.

Mike Milbury isn't running a team anymore. When teams make these kinds of moves, on their own guys, typically they know what they're doing.

This isn't like saying Crawford or Bickell are overpaid.

You're saying a player is "done." The management of his team just extended him for 3 or 4 years (I don't recall which). I'm gonna trust them, no offense or disrespect intended.
- John Jaeckel

I totally agree, JJ. And to extend your comment a little, I trust the Hawks when they say that Versteeg will add better value to the team next year. I like Versteeg, and I was disappointed by his performance last year. But if the Hawks keep him because they think he will be better, I want to trust them on that too. I'm not sure that kid is "done" at all.

Him and Bickell together could probably save every dog in Chicago.
- teh_HAWKZ

Pick up Leino and dump Bickell?

That leaves the Hawks without a big body up front.
- EKolb13

Nope,it would have to tie in with a Matt Martin aquisition

Dunno, could be a lot of things. It's like anything else though.

Who knew Kevin Hayes better than anyone. the Hawks.

Who knew (really) whether TT was ready or not to play C in the NHL. The Hawks (which is why they signed Richards).

Who knows how "done" Anderson is? The Sens. They don't think he is. And I will trust them and their investment more than fans of another team from another conference.

Mike Milbury isn't running a team anymore. When teams make these kinds of moves, on their own guys, typically they know what they're doing.

This isn't like saying Crawford or Bickell are overpaid.

You're saying a player is "done." The management of his team just extended him for 3 or 4 years (I don't recall which). I'm gonna trust them, no offense or disrespect intended.
- John Jaeckel

Now you are trying to bring common sense to this board. That just won't work here.

In the next couple weeks Ville Leino (the guy who was done in Buffalo) will be making most of our best forwards expendable. He will be teaching TT English as they play together on the top line while #88 and # 19 sulk about reduced ice time. Sharp will be gone for peanuts so Stan has the cap space he craves. Leddy will be gone for a mid round pick because he stinks. It will all be good.

I totally agree, JJ. And to extend your comment a little, I trust the Hawks when they say that Versteeg will add better value to the team next year. I like Versteeg, and I was disappointed by his performance last year. But if the Hawks keep him because they think he will be better, I want to trust them on that too. I'm not sure that kid is "done" at all.
- DirkGraham

Versteeg and Bickell are important issues going into camp.

If they can come into camp completely healed from last year's knee problems, and in competitive shape, then:

They can be important pieces going forward with the Hawks; or -

They can be important options for being moved to solve the cap problem before the season starts.

I totally agree, JJ. And to extend your comment a little, I trust the Hawks when they say that Versteeg will add better value to the team next year. I like Versteeg, and I was disappointed by his performance last year. But if the Hawks keep him because they think he will be better, I want to trust them on that too. I'm not sure that kid is "done" at all.
- DirkGraham

Duke,

I hoped, when the Hawks got Versteeg last year, they got an "older, wiser" version of what Versteeg was in 2010. A pretty dynamic, and tough kid with some pretty good speed and hands. Instead, they just got an older, wiser "guy." Could well be that he was still recovering form injury (as is rumored). If so, and the Hawks would know this, then he could bounce back this year.

Dunno, could be a lot of things. It's like anything else though.

Who knew Kevin Hayes better than anyone. the Hawks.

Who knew (really) whether TT was ready or not to play C in the NHL. The Hawks (which is why they signed Richards).

Who knows how "done" Anderson is? The Sens. They don't think he is. And I will trust them and their investment more than fans of another team from another conference.

Mike Milbury isn't running a team anymore. When teams make these kinds of moves, on their own guys, typically they know what they're doing.

This isn't like saying Crawford or Bickell are overpaid.

You're saying a player is "done." The management of his team just extended him for 3 or 4 years (I don't recall which). I'm gonna trust them, no offense or disrespect intended.
- John Jaeckel

Like re-signing Crawford for $6 million per season? I have to agree that Stan knew what he was doing.

Duke,

I hoped, when the Hawks got Versteeg last year, they got an "older, wiser" version of what Versteeg was in 2010. A pretty dynamic, and tough kid with some pretty good speed and hands. Instead, they just got an older, wiser "guy." Could well be that he was still recovering form injury (as is rumored). If so, and the Hawks would know this, then he could bounce back this year.
- John Jaeckel

The addition of Richards and bounce back seasons from Versteeg and Bickell would really put the Hawks over the top. If Bicks and Steeger can be 40 point guys and Richards gets 50 the Hawks will be light years ahead of where they were last season.

Seabrook is one of the beat passing dmen in the league and anyone laughing at that isn't watching the same game as me.
- Al

Don't laugh at that at all and fully agree with you. It was just funny description of the 2-7 relationship on the ice

FWIW the Hockey News preview is out and they have the Hawks over the Lightning in the Cup finals.