there are such things worse than poop gluck, like diareah, and my mother in law
- Lucas Neilson

fixed

and Jansen was never the same after belak opened up a can of spinnach
- Lucas Neilson

I frankin' hate the NHL sometimes.

Janssen kills Kaberle - kills the Leafs' playoff hopes in the process.

NHL suspends Janssen for what - 10 games? Which at 4 minutes of ice time per game he was averaging, works out to two periods.

And then Belak punches him in the face a few times, and apparently everything is squared away.

I love Marty Brodeur, but if I was the Leafs' coach, I would have called up a goon from the ECHL to break Brodeur's hip.

No, I'm not kidding.

i will say this

i'd take kabby at 1 million on the bottom pairing over franson at his 3.5

franson.. now there is a guy who sucks
- Dozzer

i think you've heard too many loud noises. it's affecting your thought processors

there are such things worse than poop gluck, like diareah.
- Lucas Neilson

Still poop

I frankin' hate the NHL sometimes.

Janssen kills Kaberle - kills the Leafs' playoff hopes in the process.

NHL suspends Janssen for what - 10 games? Which at 4 minutes of ice time per game he was averaging, works out to two periods.

And then Belak punches him in the face a few times, and apparently everything is squared away.

I love Marty Brodeur, but if I was the Leafs' coach, I would have called up a goon from the ECHL to break Brodeur's hip.

No, I'm not kidding.
- Atomic Wedgie

i never understood why this tactic wasnt used more often.

I frankin' hate the NHL sometimes.

Janssen kills Kaberle - kills the Leafs' playoff hopes in the process.

NHL suspends Janssen for what - 10 games? Which at 4 minutes of ice time per game he was averaging, works out to two periods.

And then Belak punches him in the face a few times, and apparently everything is squared away.

I love Marty Brodeur, but if I was the Leafs' coach, I would have called up a goon from the ECHL to break Brodeur's hip.

No, I'm not kidding.
- Atomic Wedgie

But then you get a Bertuzzi/Moore situation.

thinking about it... how (frank)ing stupid was Crawford to get one of his top players to pull that poop?

Still poop
- Feeling Glucky?

sure is.

no offense.. but everyone sucked

kaberle is NOT an anchor.. he's a complimentary d-man.. relying on him too much is the coach's fault, not the players
- Dozzer

This first part is incorrect. Several players had career years. (Or were at least above their average.)

No, Kaberle wasn't an anchor, which was painfully learned. He's a guy who tried to defend against the pass when the Canes had an empty net.

not what he said at all
- the_eye

Thank you for legitimizing my obvious troll. I was worried that I was being snubbed.

Move Franson for anything, bring up Granberg. Save us some money and see where we are come trade deadline time. My assumption is no where close that merits a big trade but if somehow it does happen then we have some cap space. If not, start working on Kadri/Bernier extensions.

This first part is incorrect. Several players had career years. (Or were at least above their average.)

No, Kaberle wasn't an anchor, which was painfully learned. He's a guy who tried to defend against the pass when the Canes had an empty net.
- BINGO!

Are we really still having this conversation?

He left the NHL two years ago.

He's done.

San Jose's asking price for Thornton, as has been stated on here before, is Nylander, Kadri, Reilly, Gardiner and Toronto's 2015 and 2016 first round picks. The Leafs may have to add another piece to make this work!!! A fair price as far as the Sharks are concerened. Dave Nonis is channelling the ghost of Gerry McNamara for guidance. Cliff Fletcher is happy to wait and sign Steve Staios to a 10 year, 100 million dollar contract confusing him with Steven Stamkos.
- kayakerjack

There must be an unwritten rule the Toronto Maple Leafs must pay 10 times what other teams do in trades.

Are we really still having this conversation?

He left the NHL two years ago.

He's done.
- Atomic Wedgie

And with Rielly+ Gardiner, why the hell would we even consider Kaberle?

And with Rielly+ Gardiner, why the hell would we even consider Kaberle?
- RogerRoeper

+ Franson

Yeah I really like the moves that Nonis has made this summer...Not a huge splash but additions to upgrade the depth at forward and the addition of some mid to bottom pairing defensemen.

The one thing I really want to see the Leafs get soon is a #1 center. Bozak is just awful IMO (for a #1 center) and I'm still not sold on Kadri...hopefully Nylander can eventually fill that role.
- RickJames77

Kadri and Bozak are both being very underrated by you. Bozak played at a 69 point pace last year. Awful? Hardly.

I agree about the depth. Nice moves and good cap management.

Kadri has put up very promising stats the last two years. But all he does is get crapped on. Meanehile we have to hear Sens fans call the inferior Turris "Elite".

There must be an unwritten rule the Toronto Maple Leafs must pay 10 times what other teams do in trades.
- RogerRoeper

Considering what they got Thornton for, your post is 100% accurate

Kadri and Bozak are both being very underrated by you. Bozak played at a 69 point pace last year. Awful? Hardly.
- RogerRoeper

Hey, it's my opinion...every one has their evaluations. I don't think Kadri has the 2way game or the ability to be a #1 center. I think he could be a very good #2 center.

Also if you look at Bozak's play without Kessel, it is horrendous. I like the Leafs, so I just want to clarify I'm not a troll trying to ruffle your feathers, it's just my opinion.

Are we really still having this conversation?

He left the NHL two years ago.

He's done.
- Atomic Wedgie

I know, right? I mean good lord.

+ Franson
- Atomic Wedgie

That's actually a damned good reason to consider Kaberle.

Hey, it's my opinion...every one has their evaluations. I don't think Kadri has the 2way game or the ability to be a #1 center. I think he could be a very good #2 center.

Also if you look at Bozak's play without Kessel, it is horrendous. I like the Leafs, so I just want to clarify I'm not a troll trying to ruffle your feathers, it's just my opinion.
- RickJames77

That's ok. My opinion is that defensive play has become far too overvalued. The guy is 23 and has put up 44 points in 48 games, and 50 points in a full season in a "Bad" year.

Defensive play can be taught. Offensive talent cannot. Kadri has the talent.

Hey, it's my opinion...every one has their evaluations. I don't think Kadri has the 2way game or the ability to be a #1 center. I think he could be a very good #2 center.

Also if you look at Bozak's play without Kessel, it is horrendous. I like the Leafs, so I just want to clarify I'm not a troll trying to ruffle your feathers, it's just my opinion.
- RickJames77

I agree with you on Bozak front. Kadri is still young, hope to see him on line 1 a little bit this year. My friend offered up some crazy line combos the other day.

Lupul-Kadri-Kessel
JVR-Bozak-Holland
Booth-Winnik-Clarkson
Santorelli-Kontiola-Komarov
Frattin

Pretty interesting the say the least.

Thornton would be pretty good with Kessel, but I'm not sure losing the assets to get him would be worth it for Toronto right now. The Leafs do have the second best chance of a Canadian team making the playoffs.

That's ok. My opinion is that defensive play has become far too overvalued. The guy is 23 and has put up 44 points in 48 games, and 50 points in a full season in a "Bad" year.

Defensive play can be taught. Offensive talent cannot. Kadri has the talent.
- RogerRoeper

I think defensive play is just so hard to gauge.... Look at bozak and kadri. Both play on the same team. Lots of people see to think bozak is good defensively and that kadri is horrendous defensively. I wouldn't say bozak is any better (if at all) defensively than kadri.

Guys... I have been doing some thinking and finally came up with realistic trade proposal for once to acquire big Joe.

How about we send them Brad Stuart, Wayne Primeau, & Marco Sturm?

Fair?

Thornton would be pretty good with Kessel, but I'm not sure losing the assets to get him would be worth it for Toronto right now. The Leafs do have the second best chance of a Canadian team making the playoffs.
- Thehabsfan93

I freakin' love Thornton. I've wanted him on the Leafs for a long, long time. He would be great with Kessel.

I wouldn't give up more than Bozak, Franson and a 3rd rounder for him.

It just doesn't make sense.

Pity.