You come in here once every 6 months spewing poop.

The pens sucked for years. They did suck during the Crosby draft having picked 5th then 1st then 2nd prior to that draft. They along with 3 other teams had the most balls in the lotto. They also got the 2nd overall pick the year later....

So go on spewing your KLowe poop. Its old and tired.
- Iggysbff

I come on here every 6 months hoping that the core group of posters on here actually learn something new from time to time, instead of just blindly following a team into the darkness! I am an Oiler fan but I guess I am too realistic for this crowd of rose colored glasses and blind Oiler faith! Not 1 valid point in response to the facts I posted, just name calling and anger! Thanks again boys, this right here is the main reason people are calling Oiler fans worse than Leaf fans!

http://www.sharewallpaper...654811-2/Unicorn+poop.jpg

Wikipedia lololololo.

Go back to high school; wikipedia isnt a credible source bud.
- Oilers4Life14

It's fine to use for basic stuff like dates, and events that took place. As stupid as his posts are, It's not like you have any fu@king clue how to use proper APA formatting, and properly cite and reference, peer reviewed information that you use in your posts. Get a job or get banned again you lil spitwad.

I come on here every 6 months hoping that the core group of posters on here actually learn something new from time to time, instead of just blindly following a team into the darkness! I am an Oiler fan but I guess I am too realistic for this crowd of rose colored glasses and blind Oiler faith! Not 1 valid point in response to the facts I posted, just name calling and anger! Thanks again boys, this right here is the main reason people are calling Oiler fans worse than Leaf fans!

http://www.sharewallpaper...654811-2/Unicorn+poop.jpg
- undisputed_8821

The fact that we don't blindly buy into your point (and yes, it's only one point) that Kevin Lowe is the only (or main) reason for the Oilers' lack of success is why "people" (completely unspecified people) are calling us worse than Leafs fans?

Okay, I don't give a (frank)ing sh!t.

The fact that we don't blindly buy into your point (and yes, it's only one point) that Kevin Lowe is the only (or main) reason for the Oilers' lack of success is why "people" (completely unspecified people) are calling us worse than Leafs fans?

Okay, I don't give a (frank)ing sh!t.
- MaximumBone

Right! I distinctly remember asking you to buy into my idea that KLowe was the Only or "main" problem....... But since you are so high and mighty, and clearly know more than me based on your holier than thou reply. What do you think the problem is. I mean the blogger says it is all Tambo, which according to some is all fine and dandy to say, but to call out the guy in charge of hiring ALL the prior failed coaches, GM's and such is a no no?

Also another valid point, I did say "people" and I didn't specify, but I gladly will if it will prompt you to actually bring something to a discussion aside from flimsy "who are these people" side of it! So here it is, the people saying we are worse than Leaf fans are (drum roll) every other fan of every other team NOT named the Toronto Maple Leafs or Edmonton Oilers........ Happy now?

I will simply ask this:

What reasons (aside from the obvious Tambo) do you guys give to the failure of this franchise for the past 12 years? 2 playoff appearances in 12 years. I will also ad it doesn't look like it is playoffs next year either, so there is no blaming Tambo anymore! As someone said this is Mac T's team, so where does the blame fall?

I will not use wikipedia for this one as it clearly was detrimental to my argument ( )

http://www.hockeydb.com/s...edmonton-oilers-5632.html

Also another valid point, I did say "people" and I didn't specify, but I gladly will if it will prompt you to actually bring something to a discussion aside from flimsy "who are these people" side of it! So here it is, the people saying we are worse than Leaf fans are (drum roll) every other fan of every other team NOT named the Toronto Maple Leafs or Edmonton Oilers........ Happy now?
- undisputed_8821

No, I'm not. Can you give me any actual proof? Like quotes from "all these other fans"?

I will simply ask this:

What reasons (aside from the obvious Tambo) do you guys give to the failure of this franchise for the past 12 years? 2 playoff appearances in 12 years. I will also ad it doesn't look like it is playoffs next year either, so there is no blaming Tambo anymore! As someone said this is Mac T's team, so where does the blame fall?
- undisputed_8821

Being an unfavourable geographical location, along with poor asset management by both Lowe and Tambellini (Souray, Gilbert), HORRENDOUS FA acquisitions, poor drafting beyond the 1st round (Pitlick, Hamilton, Martindale, Moroz, etc), and unfortunate injuries to potential key players (Whitney). Now, it's just a matter of seeing if MacT's work will actually turn anything around.

No, I'm not. Can you give me any actual proof? Like quotes from "all these other fans"?



Being an unfavourable geographical location, along with poor asset management by both Lowe and Tambellini (Souray, Gilbert), HORRENDOUS FA acquisitions, poor drafting beyond the 1st round (Pitlick, Hamilton, Martindale, Moroz, etc), and unfortunate injuries to potential key players (Whitney). Now, it's just a matter of seeing if MacT's work will actually turn anything around.
- MaximumBone

If you are on here for more than 10 minutes and actually reading anything but pro Oilers related posts, I'm quite certain you see many, many people calling Oiler fans delusional, unrealistic and just plain stupid! FYI I live it! I hear it everyday from fans of other teams.

All of your above points (aside from you saying it is an unfavorable location) are all pretty much directly related to KLowe he hired, was involved or was the reason all of those things are happening. Not to mention his PR blunders. I would say his PR blunders alone would and should have costed him his job! I'm also not saying firing KLowe will magically turn the teams fortunes around, but it may be a big reason no one wants to come play in the (as you said) unfavorable location!

It's fine to use for basic stuff like dates, and events that took place. As stupid as his posts are, It's not like you have any fu@king clue how to use proper APA formatting, and properly cite and reference, peer reviewed information that you use in your posts. Get a job or get banned again you lil spitwad.
- ruttager17

Oh ya, dates and poop are fine. When you use wikipedia's info for reports for school or trying to prove people wrong like that fuktard has, it isn't a credible source.

And my class learned Citing and Referncing in Gr.9 Academic (University) English... Totally bombed that unit.

I come on here every 6 months hoping that the core group of posters on here actually learn something new from time to time, instead of just blindly following a team into the darkness! I am an Oiler fan but I guess I am too realistic for this crowd of rose colored glasses and blind Oiler faith! Not 1 valid point in response to the facts I posted, just name calling and anger! Thanks again boys, this right here is the main reason people are calling Oiler fans worse than Leaf fans!

http://www.sharewallpaper...654811-2/Unicorn+poop.jpg
- undisputed_8821

Lol.... main the core group of posters here are... special, but they do know their own share of hockey...

I don't think Klowe has much to do with the losing culture in Edmonton, it mainly comes down to he GM/Coach/Players..


And really??? Oiler fans are worse than Leaf fans? Man idk what you are smoking but HA wants that poop. Unlike Leaf fans, we are not total homers, us fans don't think we'll finish first... Hell we likely will not even make the playoffs.

If you are on here for more than 10 minutes and actually reading anything but pro Oilers related posts, I'm quite certain you see many, many people calling Oiler fans delusional, unrealistic and just plain stupid! FYI I live it! I hear it everyday from fans of other teams.
- undisputed_8821

You probably hear it because you're the delusional idiot, I have many friends that are fans of other teams and I never hear it, hell we have fans of other teams that come here regularly and they don't say it either.
I agree that there is a group of Oilers fans that are (frank)ing morons but that is a small group and the fanbase as a whole shouldn't be represented by that small group. To say we're even on the level of Leaf fans, let alone worst than them is just plain dumb, idiotic, stupid, retarded, foolish, laughable, naive, shortsighted, senseless, thick, unintelligent, brainless, dense, half-witted, inane, simpleminded, imbecilic, dopey, moronic, mindless and any other synonym for stupid that I may have missed. So in conclusion, piss off for another 6 months, your mentally challenged opinions aren't needed or wanted here.

P.S: Eklund, fix your damn site...

While I don't think the undisputed guy came about it the right way, he isn't completely wrong. I'm not sure why you guys defend Lowe. Sure he established a farm system, which is great but:

He became GM from 2000 to 2008 before being promoted. In that time we had some pretty poopty drafting under his belt. If he was going off of his pr scouts like prendegast than it was Lowe who hired him.

Then Lowe hires tambo and we saw how that worked out. He basically traded away most of the NHL players that were drafted in that time frame.

And you guys saw in oil change how they work as a "management team" and he admitted that himself too. Maybe that's changed now under Mac t.

Not being able to sign free agents or getting players to waive is an issue that Lowe couldn't help and it for sure played into our success, I'll admit that.

Whether some of our failures are directly his fault or not, indirectly they lead to him as he is the head guy. If a CEO in a Fortune 500 company was leading his business to crappy bottom lines year after year, even if it's specific operational issues, don't you think he'd get fired?

I'd actually be happy if I woke up tomorrow and he was removed but I wouldn't expect our on ice product to change, not immediately anyway.

I come on here every 6 months hoping that the core group of posters on here actually learn something new from time to time, instead of just blindly following a team into the darkness! I am an Oiler fan but I guess I am too realistic for this crowd of rose colored glasses and blind Oiler faith! Not 1 valid point in response to the facts I posted, just name calling and anger! Thanks again boys, this right here is the main reason people are calling Oiler fans worse than Leaf fans!

http://www.sharewallpaper...654811-2/Unicorn+poop.jpg
- undisputed_8821

Are you the hockey buzz messiah?
He has risen and returned...pray to Jebus

what if Edmonton acquired Jumbo Joe? I dunno if that'd be good or if he'd instantly become washed up/unmotivated.

what if Edmonton acquired Jumbo Joe? I dunno if that'd be good or if he'd instantly become washed up/unmotivated.
- TheJerseyDevil1

He would be worth too much, Sharks would ask for Yak, and settle for Eberle.
Good guy to get, just think he will cost too much for the Oil. Solve one problem short term but burning assets will just lead to other problems long term.

Unless its high picks, non roster players, and prospects not from Germany, sure why not.

He would be worth too much, Sharks would ask for Yak, and settle for Eberle.
Good guy to get, just think he will cost too much for the Oil. Solve one problem short term but burning assets will just lead to other problems long term.

Unless its high picks, non roster players, and prospects not from Germany, sure why not.
- DDM-Coga

I would not include any of Ebs, Yak, etc for 2 years of 35 year old Joe.

Top 10 protected 1st + Klefbom + B level prospect or a guy like Lander

I would not include any of Ebs, Yak, etc for 2 years of 35 year old Joe.

Top 10 protected 1st + Klefbom + B level prospect or a guy like Lander
- ystoil

and nor should you, Sharks will be asking for the moon.

1 team I can make a move on Joe is the Preds. They have decent young guys in Filip Forsberg, Gabriel Bourque, Colin Wilson. I think they have the parts to make a deal work. Top line of Joe, Neal, Stalberg isnt too shabby.

and nor should you, Sharks will be asking for the moon.

1 team I can make a move on Joe is the Preds. They have decent young guys in Filip Forsberg, Gabriel Bourque, Colin Wilson. I think they have the parts to make a deal work. Top line of Joe, Neal, Stalberg isnt too shabby.
- DDM-Coga

I would agree with this.

Right! I distinctly remember asking you to buy into my idea that KLowe was the Only or "main" problem....... But since you are so high and mighty, and clearly know more than me based on your holier than thou reply. What do you think the problem is. I mean the blogger says it is all Tambo, which according to some is all fine and dandy to say, but to call out the guy in charge of hiring ALL the prior failed coaches, GM's and such is a no no?

Also another valid point, I did say "people" and I didn't specify, but I gladly will if it will prompt you to actually bring something to a discussion aside from flimsy "who are these people" side of it! So here it is, the people saying we are worse than Leaf fans are (drum roll) every other fan of every other team NOT named the Toronto Maple Leafs or Edmonton Oilers........ Happy now?

I will simply ask this:

What reasons (aside from the obvious Tambo) do you guys give to the failure of this franchise for the past 12 years? 2 playoff appearances in 12 years. I will also ad it doesn't look like it is playoffs next year either, so there is no blaming Tambo anymore! As someone said this is Mac T's team, so where does the blame fall?

I will not use wikipedia for this one as it clearly was detrimental to my argument ( )

http://www.hockeydb.com/s...edmonton-oilers-5632.html
- undisputed_8821

First. Many of us disagreed with Hendo on his thoughts on this blog. But you didnt even check that before going off.

Second. This rebuild was a complete over haul of the Oilers since Katz took over. Prior to that we had EIG barely clinging on to the team and barely keeping them afloat through tough times. We had TERRIBLE drafting. We had no development system for prospects. We lost countless players to free agency. And despite attempts to over pay through UFA or Offer sheets we could not get the talent here. Katz gave KLowe the cash and direction to completely overhaul the organisation. He fired the entire scouting staff and most of the trainers. We now have the Oil Kings, Barons, Condors all under the Oilers umbrella. We have a completely new scouting group. That was all done by Lowe. Has he been perfect? God no. But he has done many good things and now has almost nothing to do with the on ice group.

Has this all taken a long time and been painful? Absolutely. But the Oilers and the organisation are going to be better for it in the long run. You just want you instant gratification. Well guess what? Its not about you.

Jebus...... Are you guys serious? Crosby was won based on pure luck! It was a league wide draft that Pittsburgh won after the lockout season! That pick as far as I am concerned cannot and does not count a s a team "tanking" for picks!

- undisputed_8821

You know, i'll bite.

So let me get this straight. The draft that had Malkin also had Ovechkin (Hence why Malkin was second). I'd consider that a #1a and #1b option. Either way you get a potential superstar at that time. So for the 2 years in a row, Pittsburgh pretty much had 2 1st overall choices. With the lockout season it's hard to even argue what could've potentially happened as the success of Pittsburgh was not immediate until Crosby came along and that was even a year after he was on the team.

Based on speculation of what-if scenarios. You're saying that Pittsburgh would not have finished last? Yet after even having Crosby, they still did (in the east) for one year? So lets not forget for a "4th year" in a row they also drafted 2nd overall picking staal.

So 4 years in a row they picked top 2. What difference is that to Edmonton? They actually changed it into success?

what if Edmonton acquired Jumbo Joe? I dunno if that'd be good or if he'd instantly become washed up/unmotivated.
- TheJerseyDevil1

Would love to have him but would cost far too much and he almost certainly wouldnt waive his NTC to come here.

Right! I distinctly remember asking you to buy into my idea that KLowe was the Only or "main" problem....... But since you are so high and mighty, and clearly know more than me based on your holier than thou reply. What do you think the problem is. I mean the blogger says it is all Tambo, which according to some is all fine and dandy to say, but to call out the guy in charge of hiring ALL the prior failed coaches, GM's and such is a no no?

Also another valid point, I did say "people" and I didn't specify, but I gladly will if it will prompt you to actually bring something to a discussion aside from flimsy "who are these people" side of it! So here it is, the people saying we are worse than Leaf fans are (drum roll) every other fan of every other team NOT named the Toronto Maple Leafs or Edmonton Oilers........ Happy now?

I will simply ask this:

What reasons (aside from the obvious Tambo) do you guys give to the failure of this franchise for the past 12 years? 2 playoff appearances in 12 years. I will also ad it doesn't look like it is playoffs next year either, so there is no blaming Tambo anymore! As someone said this is Mac T's team, so where does the blame fall?

I will not use wikipedia for this one as it clearly was detrimental to my argument ( )

http://www.hockeydb.com/s...edmonton-oilers-5632.html
- undisputed_8821

The main reason that the Oilers are in the shape they are in are because of things that occurred in the summer of 2006. Kevin Lowe was told he had to the playoffs by the Edmonton Investors Group that owned the team, who for once in their ownership, made a little bit of money in the NHL business.

This is the Kiss of Death for most teams when they are told to make the playoff's when they don't have the roster to do so. Knee jerk reactions, pushing players on the ice at the slightest show of promise, overpaying the remaining heroes of that run (Horcoff, Pisani), making offer sheets in an act of desperation....etc. After losing so many quality players after that run, and the trade demands of Pronger, he was in a tough spot. Did he boggle the Smyth trade at the deadline? Sort of. 2 mid level prospects and a first round pick is a nice return had any of those players worked out, but of course those players were somewhat doomed for failure.

What nobody (fans) noticed at the NHL level was, the Oilers didn't have any strength on the scouting and developmental side of things at that time. This was not a fault of Kevin Lowe's, this was a fault of the EIG's inability to invest in these areas. Farm teams did not exist (tho it was really nice of the Penguins to let Devan Dubnyk and Jani Rita ride the pine in Wilkes-Barrie-Scranton). Not an ideal situation to develop the goalies and prospects we had in the system.

So up to this point I blame the ownership group for putting too high expectations on Kevin Lowe. Love the guys for keeping the team in Edmonton, but they mandated Lowe to make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.

When Katz bought the team, he looked to Kevin Lowe to rebuild the 'entire' organization. I personally think he made a massive mistake hiring Tambellini to rebuild the Oilers. Although the owner had mandated the team go full rebuild, Tambo did very little outside of getting the 1st overall picks.His handling of the Sheldon Souray situation could not have gone any worse, and the whole series of trades that saw Eric Cole, Raffi Torres replaced by Gilbert Brule and Patty O'Sullivan were pathetically lopsided and not in the Oilers favour. Not that all his moves were necessarily stupid. Paying for players like Belanger and Eager were not dumb (Hordichuck was a poop player, not sure why he ever went there), but those players under-delivered on their promise. Eager decided to not be physical anymore and got hurt, and Belanger proved to not be the leader he came advertised as, but at the time the moves seemed okay. Imagine if Colton Teubert actually reached the potential that many (including the Los Angeles Kings) thought he would when he was originally drafted. Ryan Whitney's foot injury was terrible luck , as the Oilers actually had that Stud defender we now covet, slip away from us to the point that he is no longer qualified to play in the NHL. Bad move? No, bad luck.
Then Mr.Tambellini, who now had started to develop a poor trading and UFA signing track record, just stopped. I don't know if he was afraid to make a bad move, but he stopped trying to make deals in trade or for free agents to help the hockey club. The look Kevin Lowe gave Tambo on "Oil Change" when it was announced that high rated prospect Filip Forseberg was had for the meager price of Martin Erat said it all to me. I can't remember if it aired before or after Tambo's firing, but it certainly makes sense to me that that was perhaps the final nail in his coffin.

Meanwhile, while Tambo was (frank)ing up the NHL squad, Kevin Lowe completely overhauled the scouting department, placing previously non-existing resources in Russia and Eastern Europe and the NCAA to join a now beefed up Pro-Scout and CHL scouting department.

He put together a player development department with Billy Moore's and Mike Sillinger.

He established an excellent program in Oklahoma City, with a solid development philosophy and Farm system that for the first time in over a decade provided a solid and consistent development pipeline going as far down as the ECHL.

He helped facilitate the purchase of a WHL team, giving the team a solid developmental option (see David Musil and Martin Gernat), and icreasing the Oilers accessibility to the Junior League and it's prospects.

I believe these things take up to 5 years to pay off at the NHL level, and they are just starting to now, but at the end of the day, Kevin Lowe will not be given credit for , IMO, the excellent work he has done as President of the Oilers Organization.

Would love to have him but would cost far too much and he almost certainly wouldnt waive his NTC to come here.
- Iggysbff

Really, I feel like the price shouldn't be crazy. San Jose is giving every indication that they want to move him. He's 35, not cheap, and probably frustrated that they stripped him. But I dunno.

The main reason that the Oilers are in the shape they are in are because of things that occurred in the summer of 2006. Kevin Lowe was told he had to the playoffs by the Edmonton Investors Group that owned the team.........(extended)
- Jeropotato

Well written.

Well written.

- iAvery

Because 9 times out of 10 I prefer to tell people to go fck themselves than dish out a logical, detailed response. So, yeah, I'm kinda lazy.

But thanks.

Because 9 times out of 10 I prefer to tell people to go fck themselves than dish out a logical, detailed response. So, yeah, I'm kinda lazy.

But thanks.
- Jeropotato

I like the cut of your jib....

I like the cut of your jib....
- Iggysbff

Thanks, Bubba.