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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 20 @ 9:14 AM ET
Brashear was really solid in his time here. He actually had some skill, as well as being tough as nails.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 20 @ 9:17 AM ET
Hey Bill,
I remember a crazy rumor going around at the time of the Kenny Linseman trade. Supposedly he was shipped out because he was dating one of the Snider daughters and Ed Snider was not happy about it. Do you recall anything about this?

Agree about Streit. Coburn and Amac will need to be very good as well.
I think they are going to be forced to play huge minutes for Berube every night.

I really hope Luke Schenn shows up in top shape at the start and is ready to go.
They would benefit a lot if Luke could handle more then the ~14 minutes a game he saw last season.

- Marc D


I think Berube is going to manage the ice time so each defenseman plays around 20 minutes. Coburn may get a little more and MDZ may get a little less.

I think the major differences will be zone starts and QoC.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 20 @ 9:17 AM ET
And this will be even further exaggerated if the Flyers don't improve defensively as a team and improve in 5 on 5 play.
- MJL


If the Flyers start slow coming out of the gate, how long does it take before Hextall starts making big moves with a long term result in perspective?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 20 @ 9:18 AM ET
Call me crazy but I'm looking forward to seeing the squad minus timonen. They have to evaluate Luke schenn under better competition to see if he actually can be a top 4 guy. Coburn and macdonald are in for a long year. No more hiding behind kimmo
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Aug 20 @ 9:19 AM ET
If the Flyers start slow coming out of the gate, how long does it take before Hextall starts making big moves with a long term result in perspective?
- spatso


I think long-term for them right now is 2-3 years. They're going to tread water for a year or two until some of these defensive prospects are ready.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 20 @ 9:20 AM ET
Brashear was really solid in his time here. He actually had some skill, as well as being tough as nails.
- Feanor


Every once and awhile Brashear would show off some really soft hands or a nice move around the net. But never seemed to be able to do it twice in the same game.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Aug 20 @ 9:21 AM ET
Hey Bill,
I remember a crazy rumor going around at the time of the Kenny Linseman trade. Supposedly he was shipped out because he was dating one of the Snider daughters and Ed Snider was not happy about it. Do you recall anything about this?

Agree about Streit. Coburn and Amac will need to be very good as well.
I think they are going to be forced to play huge minutes for Berube every night.

I really hope Luke Schenn shows up in top shape at the start and is ready to go.
They would benefit a lot if Luke could handle more then the ~14 minutes a game he saw last season.

- Marc D


I think the issue is that the Flyers best defensemen play the right side -- Coburn, Streit -- and then there's Luke. So unless Coburn or Streit want to switch to their natural left side, Luke's going to be a 3rd pairing guy at even strength.

But that doesn't mean he can't become a better player all-around. Would love to see him become a force on the PK.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Aug 20 @ 9:23 AM ET
Brashear was really solid in his time here. He actually had some skill, as well as being tough as nails.
- Feanor


Always great to watch Donald. His fights were always entertaining ( which he rarely
Lost) I loved the fights against Domi. Tie was scared shi*tless of him. Brashear also did have the skill as I believe he had a nice 25 point season one year for the Flyers
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Aug 20 @ 9:27 AM ET
If the Flyers start slow coming out of the gate, how long does it take before Hextall starts making big moves with a long term result in perspective?
- spatso

I agree with BC4.
I don't see what big moves will be available to make anyway.
Their biggest need is a top pair D, and there aren't any available.
I can't see Hexy trading away Couts plus a top round pick plus more, which is what it would take to get a legit top pair Dman even if they were available in a trade.

Morin and Ghost in 3 years, and hopefully they pan out.
That's the plan I think.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Aug 20 @ 9:32 AM ET
I think the issue is that the Flyers best defensemen play the right side -- Coburn, Streit -- and then there's Luke. So unless Coburn or Streit want to switch to their natural left side, Luke's going to be a 3rd pairing guy at even strength.

But that doesn't mean he can't become a better player all-around. Would love to see him become a force on the PK.

- bradleyc4

I think Coburn would be better on the left.
He and Luke would be an interesting pair.

I think the limiting factor is Luke may not be able to handle playing 20 minutes against the other team's #1 line.

But this season would be as good a time as any to find out.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Aug 20 @ 9:47 AM ET
I think Berube is going to manage the ice time so each defenseman plays around 20 minutes. Coburn may get a little more and MDZ may get a little less.

I think the major differences will be zone starts and QoC.

- PhillySportsGuy

How do you see the D pairs forming up?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 20 @ 9:59 AM ET
How do you see the D pairs forming up?
- Marc D


I'd like to see streit basically replacing timonen. And MDZ taking lots of o zone starts.

Streit-coburn
Amac-schenn
Grossman-mdz
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 20 @ 10:00 AM ET
Renberg was and is still my all time favorite Flyer. He was a stud. He played a strong two way game, could skate, pass and score.

AND he was good no matter who he played with.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 20 @ 10:04 AM ET
How do you see the D pairs forming up?
- Marc D


I really have no idea. I would guess they'll look something like
Amac-Coburn
Grossmann-Streit
MDZ-Schenn

I would go
Grossmann-Coburn
Amac-Streit
MDZ-Schenn

I know people are going to say Grossmann isn't even a top 4 dman, why would you put him on the top pair? I don't view the defenseman as "top pair". They don't really have any top pairing defenseman. They have situational defenseman. My pairings are based on which players will be used in which situations and chemistry. Amac and Streit have shown strong chemistry together and Coburn and Grossmann have as well.

Imo, giving Amac heavy minutes against the best forwards is a recipe for disaster. We've seen what happens to him in that situation. I'm not sure why the team would go in that direction when we've seen how that story plays out.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 20 @ 10:08 AM ET
I really have no idea. I would guess they'll look something like
Amac-Coburn
Grossmann-Streit
MDZ-Schenn

I would go
Grossmann-Coburn
Amac-Streit
MDZ-Schenn

I know people are going to say Grossmann isn't even a top 4 dman, why would you put him on the top pair? I don't view the defenseman as "top pair". They don't really have any top pairing defenseman. They have situational defenseman. My pairings are based on which players will be used in which situations and chemistry. Amac and Streit have shown strong chemistry together and Coburn and Grossmann have as well.

Imo, giving Amac heavy minutes against the best forwards is a recipe for disaster. We've seen what happens to him in that situation. I'm not sure why the team would go in that direction when we've seen how that story plays out.

- PhillySportsGuy


Agreed, there are no 1st 2nd or 3rd pairs on this team. Only what Berube decides on a game to game basis. This will be defense by committee. If the forwards don't buy in, and the team doesn't play solid 5 on 5, it could be a disaster.

Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 20 @ 10:17 AM ET
If the Flyers start slow coming out of the gate, how long does it take before Hextall starts making big moves with a long term result in perspective?
- spatso


I don't see any big moves on the horizon.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 20 @ 10:19 AM ET
I would go
Grossmann-Coburn
Amac-Streit
MDZ-Schenn

I know people are going to say Grossmann isn't even a top 4 dman, why would you put him on the top pair? I don't view the defenseman as "top pair". They don't really have any top pairing defenseman. They have situational defenseman. My pairings are based on which players will be used in which situations and chemistry. Amac and Streit have shown strong chemistry together and Coburn and Grossmann have as well.

Imo, giving Amac heavy minutes against the best forwards is a recipe for disaster. We've seen what happens to him in that situation. I'm not sure why the team would go in that direction when we've seen how that story plays out.

- PhillySportsGuy


FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Aug 20 @ 10:21 AM ET
I don't see any big moves on the horizon.
- Feanor

We are now jinxed.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 20 @ 10:32 AM ET
I really have no idea. I would guess they'll look something like
Amac-Coburn
Grossmann-Streit
MDZ-Schenn

I would go
Grossmann-Coburn
Amac-Streit
MDZ-Schenn

I know people are going to say Grossmann isn't even a top 4 dman, why would you put him on the top pair? I don't view the defenseman as "top pair". They don't really have any top pairing defenseman. They have situational defenseman. My pairings are based on which players will be used in which situations and chemistry. Amac and Streit have shown strong chemistry together and Coburn and Grossmann have as well.

Imo, giving Amac heavy minutes against the best forwards is a recipe for disaster. We've seen what happens to him in that situation. I'm not sure why the team would go in that direction when we've seen how that story plays out.

- PhillySportsGuy


Yeah, I think they'll try to start w/ that first group, then end up going with that 2nd-group out of necessity. Also wouldn't be surprised to see MDZ and/or Schenn show better than expected and push one of our 'top-4' out of the top-4.

Losing Kimmo caused the wrong kind of dominoes.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 20 @ 10:37 AM ET
We are now jinxed.
- FlyersGrace


Morin, Simmonds, and Coburn for Seth Jones
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 20 @ 10:45 AM ET
Yeah, I think they'll try to start w/ that first group, then end up going with that 2nd-group out of necessity. Also wouldn't be surprised to see MDZ and/or Schenn show better than expected and push one of our 'top-4' out of the top-4.

Losing Kimmo caused the wrong kind of dominoes.

- Tomahawk


MDZ and Schenn becoming solid, top 4 defenseman could save the season.

We haven't even discussed how injuries could impact the defense as well. Hopefully, Alt is ready to step up and the team isn't forced to go with Schultz.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Aug 20 @ 10:53 AM ET
Hayes to the Rangers.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 20 @ 10:53 AM ET
MDZ and Schenn becoming solid, top 4 defenseman could save the season.

We haven't even discussed how injuries could impact the defense as well. Hopefully, Alt is ready to step up and the team isn't forced to go with Schultz.

- PhillySportsGuy


I like Schultz as the #7 they way Hal Gill was the #7. He'll travel and practice with the team, but he won't play unless a player gets injured and there is no time for a call-up. He'll play low minutes for 1 game until a recall arrives, or if there are games at the end of the season that don't impact you much, he can take up some minutes.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 20 @ 10:53 AM ET
Hayes to the Rangers.
- KGBflyers10


ugh
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 20 @ 10:55 AM ET
We haven't even discussed how injuries could impact the defense as well. Hopefully, Alt is ready to step up and the team isn't forced to go with Schultz.
- PhillySportsGuy


To be fair, Schultz is probably the best #7 they've had in a long time. He can play both sides, he's smart/safe/dependable, and he's ironically one of the better skaters in the D group. Definitely a step up from Gill, Parent and Lilja.

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