Wanna blog? Start your own hockey blog with My HockeyBuzz. Register for free today!
 
Forums :: Blog World :: Ryan Wilson: Figuring Out the 2011 Hart Trophy With Analytics
Author Message
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Aug 19 @ 3:37 PM ET
Corey perry won the hart because without him, they would have never made the playoffs... Don't need advanced stats to tell you that
yzermaneely
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Poway, CA
Joined: 12.17.2011

Aug 19 @ 3:45 PM ET
Corey perry won the hart because without him, they would have never made the playoffs... Don't need advanced stats to tell you that
- drummer829

And he didn't play in that pushover of a division the Canucks got to dominate for so long. I wonder if there's an advanced stat for that.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Aug 19 @ 4:01 PM ET
And he didn't play in that pushover of a division the Canucks got to dominate for so long. I wonder if there's an advanced stat for that.
- yzermaneely


Canucks were good all over so I'm not surprised Daniel didn't win it.
dirt_face
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.12.2011

Aug 19 @ 5:23 PM ET
There are so many things wrong with this blog series! If you're gonna use analytics to figure out who should have been MVP you need to use more than 3 candidates, use atleast the top 5 vote getters. Secondly you have to take into account how the team did. Zone starts mean nothing to an offensive players value, especially if they play on a team with a lot of defensive forwards. The Sedins started the majority of their shifts in the offensive zone because they provided the Canucks the most possible value there. The Canucks realized that they had a lot of players who could play defence well but weren't nearly as ofensively talented as the Sedins. Using this flawed system you could make the arguement that a 4th liner who never starts in the offensive zone but plays a decent posession game and managed to score 20 points would be a better MVP candidate than the Sedins.
Ben37
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: One of the Most Respected Hockeybuzz Posters, AB
Joined: 04.07.2010

Aug 19 @ 5:38 PM ET
There are so many things wrong with this blog series! If you're gonna use analytics to figure out who should have been MVP you need to use more than 3 candidates, use atleast the top 5 vote getters. Secondly you have to take into account how the team did. Zone starts mean nothing to an offensive players value, especially if they play on a team with a lot of defensive forwards. The Sedins started the majority of their shifts in the offensive zone because they provided the Canucks the most possible value there. The Canucks realized that they had a lot of players who could play defence well but weren't nearly as ofensively talented as the Sedins. Using this flawed system you could make the arguement that a 4th liner who never starts in the offensive zone but plays a decent posession game and managed to score 20 points would be a better MVP candidate than the Sedins.
- dirt_face


He uses the three nominees. That is why you aren't ending up with the hypothetical 4th line hart candidate.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Aug 19 @ 5:57 PM ET
So, who are the Sedin's in the video?

Heath?

The Redcoats?

The horse?

Riggs?

- 87_71_11_29

Sedin = Heath
Canucks fans = Mel
Ryan = Knife wielding Brit
Horses ass = Me
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Aug 19 @ 6:14 PM ET
There are so many things wrong with this blog series! If you're gonna use analytics to figure out who should have been MVP you need to use more than 3 candidates, use atleast the top 5 vote getters. Secondly you have to take into account how the team did. Zone starts mean nothing to an offensive players value, especially if they play on a team with a lot of defensive forwards. The Sedins started the majority of their shifts in the offensive zone because they provided the Canucks the most possible value there. The Canucks realized that they had a lot of players who could play defence well but weren't nearly as ofensively talented as the Sedins. Using this flawed system you could make the arguement that a 4th liner who never starts in the offensive zone but plays a decent posession game and managed to score 20 points would be a better MVP candidate than the Sedins.
- dirt_face


RobitailleFAN20
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA Kings fan since 1996. Favorite palyers Luc Robitaille & Rob Blake, CA
Joined: 06.22.2014

Aug 19 @ 6:21 PM ET
Perry had a rediculous year in '11 there is no question or debate about him winning the Heart Trophy. 50g and just shy of 100pts, and if I'm not mistaking quiet a few of those goals either won or tied the game.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Aug 19 @ 6:23 PM ET
There are so many things wrong with this blog series! If you're gonna use analytics to figure out who should have been MVP you need to use more than 3 candidates, use atleast the top 5 vote getters. Secondly you have to take into account how the team did. Zone starts mean nothing to an offensive players value, especially if they play on a team with a lot of defensive forwards. The Sedins started the majority of their shifts in the offensive zone because they provided the Canucks the most possible value there. The Canucks realized that they had a lot of players who could play defence well but weren't nearly as ofensively talented as the Sedins. Using this flawed system you could make the arguement that a 4th liner who never starts in the offensive zone but plays a decent posession game and managed to score 20 points would be a better MVP candidate than the Sedins.
- dirt_face

-criticizes argument for only using top three Hart vote getters
-suggests a fourth liner could get the MVP within this argument

lol
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Aug 19 @ 8:49 PM ET
Using this flawed system you could make the arguement that a 4th liner who never starts in the offensive zone but plays a decent posession game and managed to score 20 points would be a better MVP candidate than the Sedins.
- dirt_face



no..No you couldn't.
bobert836
New Jersey Devils
Location: Buying a dolphin and putting it in your swimming pool makes more sense, BC
Joined: 06.19.2010

Aug 19 @ 9:34 PM ET
There are so many things wrong with this blog series! If you're gonna use analytics to figure out who should have been MVP you need to use more than 3 candidates, use atleast the top 5 vote getters. Secondly you have to take into account how the team did. Zone starts mean nothing to an offensive players value, especially if they play on a team with a lot of defensive forwards. The Sedins started the majority of their shifts in the offensive zone because they provided the Canucks the most possible value there. The Canucks realized that they had a lot of players who could play defence well but weren't nearly as ofensively talented as the Sedins. Using this flawed system you could make the arguement that a 4th liner who never starts in the offensive zone but plays a decent posession game and managed to score 20 points would be a better MVP candidate than the Sedins.
- dirt_face


That what the chart is there for genius, you know the one that compares the points and goals
Page: Previous  1, 2