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flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 13 @ 7:43 PM ET
Go. Do it now.
- Jsaquella


Health care worker hang over cure.

Self IV with Saline.

Had a paramedic buddy do it.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Aug 13 @ 7:44 PM ET
Did you ever go to Reading for a Royals game or
Als Diamond Cabaret ???

- Steelmanpa


no.

and no.

i went to reading one time during my 3 years in the LV.
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Aug 13 @ 7:46 PM ET
Possible, I'd suppose. With the additions of White, Jones and Gordon, plus bringing back VandeVelde, there's not a ton of spots that are open in Lehigh Valley.

Maybe they added White expecting him to be on the NHL roster.

- Jsaquella


I expect Knapp to be one of the goalies in the ECHL as posted before

The Royals have signed a slew of good forwards but only 3 D men so I am watching the goalie signings and D more

Lehigh Valley looks to be loaded up nicely and has some depth for injury callups.

There is a Town Hall Meeting in Reading and Homer is going to be there too on the 28th. I will ask some tough questions about the system and having a deterrent fighter on the ECHL roster. There are some goons and cheap shots in the E that need more than the obligatory retaliatory fight, something like taking knees out for running people from behind. Its amazing how some people can be such turds for so little money, the future/wannabe Matt Cookes of the world without the talent or size to go further
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 13 @ 7:47 PM ET
Hard to argue any of this, assuming this is factual.
- EagleNuck


I knew he was brutal in the fancy pants department, but I didn't realize just how dismally ranked he was in all the traditional stats, too.

Aggregate goals-for/hits/points/shots/turnovers/icing/etc per 60, and you really begin to understand why his CF is so piss-poor.

Maybe it was a monumentally bad year from overuse. Maybe he's just not that good. Guess we're about to find out.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 7:59 PM ET
Powe make the roster and Rinaldo be lost on an island.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Aug 13 @ 8:00 PM ET
Powe make the roster and Rinaldo be lost on an island.
- ob18


A Dry Island?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 8:03 PM ET
A Dry Island?
- Doc_Sarcasm


No Rinaldo and go to one all by himself.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 13 @ 8:13 PM ET
Powe make the roster and Rinaldo be lost on an island.
- ob18

Betts is now eagerly waiting by the phone.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 8:18 PM ET
Betts is now eagerly waiting by the phone.
- hereticpride


He'll dislocate his shoulder trying to answer the call.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 13 @ 8:18 PM ET
A Dry Island?
- Doc_Sarcasm

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 13 @ 8:27 PM ET
He'll dislocate his shoulder trying to answer the call.
- ob18


You beat me to it!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 8:29 PM ET
Powe make the roster and Rinaldo be lost on an island.
- ob18


Might be White. He spent all of last year in NHL, missed time with injury.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 8:30 PM ET
You beat me to it!

- MBFlyerfan


I even waited a minute before posting.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Aug 13 @ 8:34 PM ET
Patrick Roy Dekes Past Gretzky: http://youtu.be/QS4qfCbuhCw
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 13 @ 9:14 PM ET
Boom! Powe!

LehighValleyPhantoms ‏@LVPhantoms 1m

We have signed free agent C Darroll Powe to an AHL contract. Powe is a former Flyer and Phantom! #puckdown2014

- Jsaquella

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:17 PM ET
Hmm, that is good, get some leadership in there for the young kids. A guy who had to work is a$$ off to stay in the league, and an Ivy leaguer to boot.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 9:18 PM ET
Just a thought.

While I believe it will be a long shot at best that Samuel Morin is a long shot at best to make the team out of camp this season, with Timonen getting hurt, things do become interesting. While I understand we have Del Zotto and Schultz who should be locks to make the team, while I do understand Del Zotto, Schultz and Morin cannot re place what Timonen offers, interestingly enough it just occured to me that Morin's chances to make the team and skip out of going back to Juniors did just got better by a great deal.

- SuperSchennBros


Morin has no chance. None. Zip. Zero.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 13 @ 9:56 PM ET
Morin has no chance. None. Zip. Zero.
- Just5

Cue Vince McMahon music.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 13 @ 10:00 PM ET
Why are you attacking a whole nation because he's simply stating his opinion?
- EagleNuck


How did I "attack a nation?"
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 13 @ 10:01 PM ET
I knew he was brutal in the fancy pants department, but I didn't realize just how dismally ranked he was in all the traditional stats, too.

Aggregate goals-for/hits/points/shots/turnovers/icing/etc per 60, and you really begin to understand why his CF is so piss-poor.

Maybe it was a monumentally bad year from overuse. Maybe he's just not that good. Guess we're about to find out.

- Tomahawk


I'd be curious to see these numbers broken down for the Islanders and Flyers separately.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 13 @ 10:02 PM ET
Morin has no chance. None. Zip. Zero.
- Just5


He has an outside chance at a 9-game tryout. But that's it.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Aug 13 @ 10:02 PM ET
Is three trolls from teams that missed the playoffs coming in here on the same day a new record?
- Feanor


Proof that Robin Williams is still alive.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Aug 13 @ 10:05 PM ET
OK, folks. I did it again, got into an Internet Slapfight about the Flyers. Ridiculous, yeah, I know.

But it's time for some of this Andrew MacDonald Clown Show to be put to rest, because while I do have some concerns about the length of the contract and some aspects of his play, it's really time for some of his ardent critics -- and while I love all of you guys 99.999999 percent of the time, some of you are in this fanbase -- to let up a bit on the advanced stats measuring the guy and, again, take a look at the scoreboard.

Again: I use advanced stats. But I've always said that they're a tool, a snapshot, an indicator. They're not all that a player encompasses, and they're not all that matters.

So. We all know by now that MacDonald's advanced stats are troubling. Fine. Numbers have been crunched. Math has been performed. OK, then.

But there's some more math that can be busted out. Math that should appease at least some of our fanbase until the guy plays a full season with the Flyers, while shutting the hell up trolls from other teams.

What numbers? These: 10-6-3. 23/38. (.605). 99. 2.52.

Anybody want to guess what those are?

10-6-3 is the Flyers' record with Andrew MacDonald in the lineup, for 23 out of a possible 38 points, which is a points percentage of .605. You drop a .605 points percentage for an 82-game season, you wind up with 99 points. The 2.52 is the Flyers' GAA for the 19 games MacDonald played.

More numbers: 32-24-7. 71/126. (.563). 92.

I didn't throw a curveball in there; the breakdowns are the same.
32-24-7 is the Flyers' record WITHOUT Andrew MacDonald in the lineup, for 71 of a possible 126 points. That's a points percentage of .563, which over an 82-game season equates to 92 points.

Now, some disclaimers: Those are just snapshots, really basic stuff, simple math. And clearly, the much larger sample size in this admittedly basic model belongs to the games in which MacDonald did not play, so whatever flaws the Flyers had would have more time to show up.

Again: This basic model is NOT, I repeat NOT, something that I'll be quoting often.

HOWEVER, there is enough there to say a couple of things:

1. The Flyers were clearly able to win games with Andrew MacDonald in the lineup.

2. The Flyers' GAA with MacDonald in the lineup was 2.52.

3. Steve Mason played 13 of the 19 games MacDonald played. In those games, Mason had a GAA of 2.31. Mason's season GAA in 61 games? 2.50.

3. Ray Emery played six of the 19 games MacDonald played. In those games, Emery had a GAA of 2.83. Emery's GAA in 28 games for the season? 2.96.

Again: Those are snapshots in time. It's a team game. The sample size for MacDonald's stretch as a Flyer isn't as big as the one without.

But you know what?

Now, call me crazy, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that maybe, just maybe, Andrew MacDonald, despite his individual metrics, did SOMETHING TO HELP THE FLYERS WIN.

Whether it's eating minutes that Gus and Meszaros couldn't so Timonen and Coburn could rest and be more effective, whatever, you don't have to be Andrew MacDonald's effing agent to see that the guy does SOMETHING VALUABLE FOR THIS TEAM THAT ISN'T IN THE METRICS.

Again. I'm shouting loud enough so those clowns from those two joke franchises that were trolling this afternoon can hear it.

The Flyers have lost Timonen, and that's a big loss. But it's entirely possible that MacDonald, after a full training camp with this team and with the security of a new contract, does whatever the hell he does that helps this team win that isn't showing up in the metrics, at an even higher level.

Everybody on board with that, I hope?
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Aug 13 @ 10:05 PM ET
Hmm, that is good, get some leadership in there for the young kids. A guy who had to work is a$$ off to stay in the league, and an Ivy leaguer to boot.
- MBFlyerfan


I bet you he gets a contract from the Flyers by the end of the season.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 13 @ 10:10 PM ET
OK, folks. I did it again, got into an Internet Slapfight about the Flyers. Ridiculous, yeah, I know.

But it's time for some of this Andrew MacDonald Clown Show to be put to rest, because while I do have some concerns about the length of the contract and some aspects of his play, it's really time for some of his ardent critics -- and while I love all of you guys 99.999999 percent of the time, some of you are in this fanbase -- to let up a bit on the advanced stats measuring the guy and, again, take a look at the scoreboard.

Again: I use advanced stats. But I've always said that they're a tool, a snapshot, an indicator. They're not all that a player encompasses, and they're not all that matters.

So. We all know by now that MacDonald's advanced stats are troubling. Fine. Numbers have been crunched. Math has been performed. OK, then.

But there's some more math that can be busted out. Math that should appease at least some of our fanbase until the guy plays a full season with the Flyers, while shutting the hell up trolls from other teams.

What numbers? These: 10-6-3. 23/38. (.605). 99. 2.52.

Anybody want to guess what those are?

10-6-3 is the Flyers' record with Andrew MacDonald in the lineup, for 23 out of a possible 38 points, which is a points percentage of .605. You drop a .605 points percentage for an 82-game season, you wind up with 99 points. The 2.52 is the Flyers' GAA for the 19 games MacDonald played.

More numbers: 32-24-7. 71/126. (.563). 92.

I didn't throw a curveball in there; the breakdowns are the same.
32-24-7 is the Flyers' record WITHOUT Andrew MacDonald in the lineup, for 71 of a possible 126 points. That's a points percentage of .563, which over an 82-game season equates to 92 points.

Now, some disclaimers: Those are just snapshots, really basic stuff, simple math. And clearly, the much larger sample size in this admittedly basic model belongs to the games in which MacDonald did not play, so whatever flaws the Flyers had would have more time to show up.

Again: This basic model is NOT, I repeat NOT, something that I'll be quoting often.

HOWEVER, there is enough there to say a couple of things:

1. The Flyers were clearly able to win games with Andrew MacDonald in the lineup.

2. The Flyers' GAA with MacDonald in the lineup was 2.52.

3. Steve Mason played 13 of the 19 games MacDonald played. In those games, Mason had a GAA of 2.31. Mason's season GAA in 61 games? 2.50.

3. Ray Emery played six of the 19 games MacDonald played. In those games, Emery had a GAA of 2.83. Emery's GAA in 28 games for the season? 2.96.

Again: Those are snapshots in time. It's a team game. The sample size for MacDonald's stretch as a Flyer isn't as big as the one without.

But you know what?

Now, call me crazy, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that maybe, just maybe, Andrew MacDonald, despite his individual metrics, did SOMETHING TO HELP THE FLYERS WIN.

Whether it's eating minutes that Gus and Meszaros couldn't so Timonen and Coburn could rest and be more effective, whatever, you don't have to be Andrew MacDonald's effing agent to see that the guy does SOMETHING VALUABLE FOR THIS TEAM THAT ISN'T IN THE METRICS.

Again. I'm shouting loud enough so those clowns from those two joke franchises that were trolling this afternoon can hear it.

The Flyers have lost Timonen, and that's a big loss. But it's entirely possible that MacDonald, after a full training camp with this team and with the security of a new contract, does whatever the hell he does that helps this team win that isn't showing up in the metrics, at an even higher level.

Everybody on board with that, I hope?

- AllInForFlyers


Stop using cold, hard statistics to dispell arbitrary formulas.
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